Hi guys, I can't explain why this is effective, I just took the advice of someone smarter than me and it worked... I was told once by an "old timer" in the hobby that regardless of the size of the tank (under 1000 gallons), water changes need to happen at least 50% every day, or every other day to get good growth rates. His explaination for this as he put it was due to "hormone release" of the fry as they got to the "scattering" phase of development. He speculated that the natural release of hormones in the small fish caused them to "disperse" naturally in the wild once they got to a certain size. If they didn't or weren't allowed to disperse, the overabundance of "hormones" in the tank would stunt the growth of the fry, and possibly cause what he referred to as "geeking" which was the appearance of a perfectly normal fish becoming deformed potentially causing death. Having raised Hemichromis Lifilli for aboout 2 years, and the parents being as prolific as they were, I had the opportunity to see the behavior and effects of what he told me come true. Bottom line: Good water changes every day, or every other day produced excellent growth results, and re-sellable healthy fish in the shortest amount of time. I did not to interbreed the parents and the siblings, and could get over 100 saleable fish from each spawn. They were raised in as small as 5 gallon tanks up to 30's. Again, I have no scientific background or evidence of what he told me, it only "appeared" that all he said was true. I hope someone out there really knows! I am definately open to hear more on this. Phil ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Cory and Susanne Williamson" <webwill@infinet.net> I have three 5 gal tanks with 1-cm long fry in them and they still seem to be growing well- I do up to 30-50% water changes every second day. The fry are about a two and a half months old now- If you have the space and don't have time for tons of water changes- then I would go for a bigger tank (or reduced #'s of fry)- I have sucessfully raised over a hundred bettas in a 25 gallon tank, but the daily water changes just about drove me nuts- Basically what I am trying to say is that there are no hard and fast rules for fish densities other that they need to have a constant supply of clean water- so as the fish biomass goes up, either water changes must increase in volume and frequency or the water volume must get larger. Of course you can complicate the system by adding elements that will used up the fish wastes (ex plants to use up nitrate or carbon to use up other organic wastes etc.) Hope this helps. Cory Williamson -----Original Message----- From: Paul Evans <pm_evans@yahoo.com> snip > >The fry are growing quickly. They have been free >swimming for about 10 days and the already have >visible vertical bars. How big do you think they >will get before being badly stunted from being in >a 20 gallon tank? >Paul Evans > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!