You can leave the otos. They're just vegetarian and won't bother the fry. However, they can get a beating from mom if they stray too close to the babies. Just any fish that have a carnivorous instinct gotta go. G. Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!