David,I like the wild form,too.Not just of viejita,but of alot of other apistos that have been breed for color.Like you said the closer they are to wild the more robust they seem to be,also some seem to be easier to spawn.With the breeding for color are we gradualy weaking the fish to the point that they will start throwing deformed fry?I know that most breeders cross in some other fish to keep the strain going,but wont the line eventualy start to have inferior fish at some point? My rams are doing great!Love those wc.The adults are very good parents,even attacking the syphon or my hand when I put it in the tank.You dont see that kind of behavior from the german rams. Vern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!