I also want to agree with Bob about deformities showing up mostly for reasons that we as aquarists can control. Water Quality being the biggest factor along with good diets. I try to keep at least 2 pairs of breeders of any apisto that I'm working with. My thinking here is to line breed the fish so that I can cross every other generation to fish from the other line to keep weaknesses from hopefully showing up. Eventually I have to cross in outside stock to maintain healthy fish. As to making money, it really is alot harder to do then most people think. I keep and breed apistos for 2 reasons reasons. First, I really love the little guys. I like the nature of the fish, the way it acts and looks. Secondly and a poor reason but half way decent one. I have perfect water for raising apistos. Living in the Adirondack mountains, I have naturally soft slightly acidic water right out of the tap. All I need to do is add a little dechlor and add fish. This is also one of the reasons I keep alot of west african cichlids and killies. Getting back to the money part here. Yes I do make some, I will never get back more then what I put into this hobby, that isn't my goal. My goal is the fish, but if I can be successful with some of these guys and sell or trade some, I'm thankful I do my best to insure the largest number of fry survival so that I can help myself with my hobby. If this means selling a few pairs here and there to help me pay for new species, where ever I can get them, then God bless. Sorry for rambling there. I just really love my apistos. I get excited everytime a pair spawns and everytime I get some new fish. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!