Thank you Vicky and all for the comments. I have 20 or so more coming soon!..........and Mike for the ID's. I'm changing my gravel (sand) over to a more natural looking gravel (sand). I agree that it would not wash them out. Mike...I'll try to get the shot of the chin area to help with the ID......Thanks again. You are right on that blow-up on the A. pandurini.......have to take one out.....I also misspelled "cacatuoides".......will be making the changes after the AKA Convention in Chigago this weekend. Interesting on the 'Tefe' ID.....thanks! Mike Mike Jacobs Math Instructor, Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S., St Pete, Fl. mfjacobs@geocities.com mikejacobs2@tampabay.rr.com >Wow, Mike those pics are awesome!! Beauty job you did on them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!