Hello all... I thought I'd break the mailing list's silence with a quick question. While at the LFS, I picked up three fish labeled as "Apisto Ortmanni." They were $6 ea, and I purchased every one they had, since I had a 10gal set up for Apistogramma already. "All of them" turned out to be three... two smaller (3/4") ones and a larger one (1"). After doing as much research I could, I found surprisingly little info... to give an example there's only ONE post on A. ortmanni on the Krib. After studying Linke and Staeck's drawing of A. ortmanni (drawn from a "preserved specimen," I am no longer sure that they are A. ortmanni. However, after taking a very close comparison w/ the biggest apisto, the drawing is quite similar. There are a few missing things, like the dorsal fin should be longer, and as of right now I see no real superorbital stripe (above the eye), but sometimes there is a faint darkness that could be one. My specimens seem young, perhaps they will develop those things later. What I would like is ANY AND ALL INFO on A. ortmanni. I would especially like experiences, PICTURES (I do not own the Bork or Aqualog book, etc.), and ID info. ANYTHING! I'm struggling to find info. Are they still supposed to be hard to get? Oh, and I have the pH at 6.2 for them right now... and they are rather violent towards each other (all male???). The biggest one dominates and has a very slight, very faded pastel yellow/tan color to him/her. With all the aggression, is it possible all three are male? Thanks all, -- Derek Wingert ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!