I talk to so many Hobbyists with the problem of 'parents eating eggs', 'eggs do not hatch' etc... [Insert your own problem with eggs here] So often artificialy hatching them only gives us meager results anyway. The Important thing to look at is the microsiemens or the counductivity of the water. This is a superior way to measure the water quality as well as the dissolved solids. Take a test of the microsiemens of your source water and see how the value changes as the water becomes more polluted with urine, feces, nitrates, etc... You will be surprised how that value can change especialy in crowded tanks! I have source water that starts out with a mirosiemens of less then 10 and stays at about 30 in my breeding tanks, in holding tanks where may have over a hundred Apisto's this value can go up as high as 450! Many Apisto eggs will simply not hatch under these extreme conditions. I reccomend you invest in a counductivity meter if this continues to be an issue. For the eggs to hatch I could talk to you about The proper pH and Hardness levels but these are common knowledge, the real issue is the counductivity many times! I would say that of the people I talk to who can't get the eggs to hatch most of them, [as long as we have the proper water parameters]would resolve their problems by keeping these values in check. To accomplish this we need to maintain a very high water quality. I like to use good biological filtrat ion ie: sponge filters and good regular water changes. I can tell you this,egg eating ust is not an issue for me and I hear of so many out there that struggle with it. All of you out there that have been to my fish room have always seen thick shoals of fry being cared for by their parents all the time. It is not magic we just need to watch the microsiemens. Nothing against those that artificialy hatch the eggs but for me I will compare my production to any that do it artificialy. For me it's just to much work to do it artificialy.99% of the time it is not the fish that has the problem but us the hobbyist thats is lacking in some area Invest in a counductivity meter you will be surprised at what you learn. Good luck to you === David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!