Derek >From what your web site describes... these are identical fish to the ones I've got - sold to me under the name of Apistogramma Steindachineri ! - I have recently queried this as I have seen photos etc that contradict this identification... the Wickleri (sp?) id seemed closet to me. Hope this is of some help The pictures you have adjusted to include the dark spot markings on the sides are exactly what my fish have - in fact this is the same dilemma I have encountered looking at the same pictures ! Gareth Bradbury Bristol England ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!