I think this topic has been beaten pretty well, like any dead horse should be. However, I am still having problems groking in fullness. Could someone please give their opinions on hardness, pH, and conductivity again? I am using deionized water for water changes to lower my conductivity (it is about 300 uS...I want about 1/10 that). My hardness seems fine...1 deg kH and 2 deg gH with the pH about 6.5 (I still want to lower it to about 6). If the hardness is what I am measuring why is conductivity so high? Also my deionized water reads 0 deg hardness, 0 uS yet the pH is 8.5. How can this be? I am adding pH down to get it to 6.5 and it seems to be holding in the tank...ie not rebounding. Thanks for any info ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!