Vern The Website with all the apisto pictures is: http://w5.dj.net.tw/~iris/list8.htm If this isn't this list of photos you were told about it's still an impressive bunch of apisto photos, even if I can't understand a word of what they say. I have a pair of Maciliensis Mamore, which I got from Julio. They do look like a Trifasciata and almost match the photo in the Mayland/Bork book under the photo of Trifasciata Maciliensis. It's a very beautiful fish. I don't know if this helps out or not. John W ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!