I have heard about some aquarists using oak leaves in their apisto tanks. Where do they get the leaves? Do they buy them or collect them from the back yard? I have access to an autoclave for sterilizing. Also I assume that these leaves are brown and dry and not freshly removed ftom the tree...am I right? Also can someone give me some direction on accessing information on collecting and culturing live foods? I have been successful with vinegar eels and to some degree grindal worms. What is the best media for grindals? I would like to subculture so I would have a back up culture. I was also keeping daphnia feeding Wardleys egglayer formula. However I fed to much and the culture crashed. Would euglena or paramecia be a better food for daphnia with out the possibility of over feeding? Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!