I have two pairs of Microgeophagus altispinosa I bought at auction ($6!). I put them into a community tank w/ plenty of tetras while waiting to set up a more permanent home for them. In 4 days I had eggs. Unfortunately, this hatch (which was only about 50 eggs) didn't hatch. Less than a week later the male responsible for the first round bred with the other female and this time they had a nice hatch of 80 or so little guys. I left them in the tank to "observe" the parental process and they did a fine job for about 2 weeks until they couldn't keep track of the straying young and they all eventually fell prey to the tetras and a young pair of A. cacatuoides (which were constantly waiting at the edge of the males area of control waiting for the young to wander out). About a week after that the other male bred with the second female (these guys are definitely not polygamous) and I now have a small batch of wrigglers. I struggling to get a decent pH in a ten gallon I'm planning to move one of the pairs to (but that's another long and convoluted story). Maybe after I reduce the predation I'll have some success raising the fry. The tank: 29G, set up for about 3 months, moderately planted under 110 W of HO fluorescent lighting, 2 GH (although the plants quickly reduce this, 2 is out of the tap), 3.5 KH, CO2 injection (diy), pH about 6.4, temperature 80-82 (those HO bulbs put out some heat!). The tank is overpopulated (and probably over filtered). 6 neons, 6 glowlights, 3 "blue" tetras, the 4 rams, 2 cacatuoides, clown pleco, 4 ottos, 2 black neons. I have a SeaStorm 100 fluidized bed filter and a Whisper power filter 2 (for mechanical filtration). NO2 and NH3 are 0. Even with all of those fish I suspect I have a Nitrogen deficiency for the plants. Michael K & D Martin wrote: > > I cannot get my microgeophagus altispinossas to breed for nothing. The > water is at about 78 F, very acidic, ph is about 6 now, about 1 degree KH. > Problem is probably too many bottom dwellers. Lots of kribs, got a pair > that just WON"T STOP breeding, so have bunches of their offspring, what > doesn't get picked off by the tetras and 3 biotodoma cupidos that are always > nose to nose with either themselves or the rams. Lots of plants. I bought > these fish mailorder back in November and they haven't grown much so i > figure they weren't too young when i got them but you never know. Lots of > flat rocks in there but with all the other fish i can't see them laying > eggs, but you never know. Anyone ever spawned rams in a community tank? My > tank is a 75 gallon filled with rocks, crevices, pots, numerous bushy plants > and the fish are not large, mainly kribs, 4 tetras, biot. cupidos, micro. > altispinossa, one large pleco. Its busy, but not overcrowded. I've got > to start culling some of those kribs tho, when they are a little bigger i > will take some to the fish shop IF i can catch them. > > kym > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geo/Len <szucs@total.net> > To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: ram eggs > > >> I just hatched some German Rams (yellow, red form??) eggs using a > airstone. > >> First time I ever bred Rams. > > > >Only had the Rams for two weeks. > > > >George > > > >> > >> > >> Can this be done? I thought that rams (both kinds) peeled the eggshells > off > >> the fry when the fry are ready to hatch. Other substrate dwelling > cichlids > >> do the same thing. The mouthbrooding ones peel as many eggs as fry can > fit > >> in their mouths and leave the rest, which never hatch. > >> > >> G. Kadar > >> Toronto (it's hot here too - not as bad as Chicago though) > >> The US administration does not accept that greenhouse gases are causing a > >> problem. Now, how can that be when we are releasing into the atmosphere, > in > >> a short period of time, the carbon from coal and petroleum that took > >> millions of years to be fixed by plants? 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