Just a quick question. I bought my first M. altispinosa about 3 years ago. It is more beautiful now than ever. When I purchased it, the shop keeper said that these fish only live about 2 years (and I have seen that in some literature). Thought it might be fun to see who has heard of or has the oldest ram. You never get good info on age in the literature. Thanks, Rich D'Ottavio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!