Yep, that sounds far more likely than the laterite diagnosis. Unfortunately, I can't tell you from here exactly what is wrong. IF there was a snail, you may have elevated nitrates. The grean worm-like objects may be made of a toxic substance. There are too many possibilities. I guess you just pray. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!