A couple weeks ago, I mentioned that the A. panduros I picked up at the convention appeared to be all males. After looking at the pelvic fins, i decided that I had 3 females and one male. The male is the smallest, of the bunch, and I doubt that he is old enough yet to spawn. I separated the four fish and put the smallest female in with the single male, and the other two females in a separate tank, using ten gallon tanks. I left the water at 7.4 pH as it comes out of the tap, as in the past I have seen increasing aggression against conspecifics as pH approached the pH 5.0 level that induced spawning. I wanted to get the male up to a little bigger size before anything got going. Yesterday I came home to find the dithers dead in the tank with the pair. Upon closer examination, the female was under a pot shard, picking off the last of the eggs, that were all turning milky due to infertility. The male was hiding in the back under the hydrosponge. I thought to move the male to safety in the other tank, but found that one female in the other tank was spawning solo in there. The other female was in stress, and even after relocating, did not survive the night. So now I have the male in one tank, the larger female in another, and the smaller female all alone in a 55-gallon I was working on to be a planted community tank. I have two inconsistencies here: 1) the pH is way too high for this fish to be interested in spawning. 2) both of these females are very yellow, yet still neither of them has the mid-body splotch. The black on the cheeks, rather than a large streak running from eye to eye under the chin, is more like the angled stripe on a female aggasizii. While I can accept the pH alone as just a unique anomaly, the fact that both of them spawned solo in less than ideal conditions, combined with the coloration, leads me to ponder. The male also has failed to develop the caudal peduncle "triangle". Is it possible that these guys are acutally something else, an Apistogramma sp.aff panduro, from a whitewater location? Perhaps worthy of noting in this discussion- The heat wave tends to get my tanks up to around 82 or 83 F for a day or two, and this was the case when they spawned. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, email@example.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email firstname.lastname@example.org. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!