Hey John....I would add a dither or two. I have a very nice pair of veijita II which I did not see until I added a couple of zebra danios. They immediately came out of hiding and have never looked back. Even when I moved them to a new set up, danios included, they never went back into hiding. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!