Hi John You definitely have a point in that we can't change in 50 years what Mother N has taken 1000+ to imprint. But, you can't take just two fish and draw conclusions from that either. I do think that capt. bred fish, esp. those that are raised artificially, get worse at raising their fry in general. I've had both wildcaught and captive bred pairs of the same species and the wildcaught are almost always easier to breed. It may not be because of parental instinct but something does happen from wildcaught and 20 generations on. You always have variation, some are better at brood care than others and in nature the better breeders will survive. With our articifial methods we side-step that and give all genes a future, thus the not-so-good breeders survive as well. //Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!