Hello Fredrik I guess I have to disagree with you on the point that fish that may have been artificially raised aren't as good parents as those that might not have been. I presently have 5 different pairs of apistos that are toting fry around their tanks that I know were artificially reared away from their parents. These aren't just good breeders but great parents. I don't always rear fry away from their parents but in a few instances I do "steal" the wigglers away from the parents to insure I'm going to get alot of fry. I nor you, can change this instinct to breed and care for their off spring, certainly isn't going to happen in our life times. I know many people don't like doing what I sometimes do, but sometimes I feel it's necessary or I wouldn't do it. This doesn't mean the fish suffer at all. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!