I think the points raised by Dr Kadar and Zeco are really interesting. This is the first time this list has worked for me in a year or two. This thread has unfolded as a good discussion. I'd like to add something to go with Zeco's comment. I have an aquarium with Canadian species. I'm at most 150m away from the habitat where I caught these fish, and once a week or so, I wander down and watch darters and shiners in their natural homes, after I watch them in a tank. Darters (Etheotoma olmstedi in this case) are territorial fish, which behave a bit like apistos. I set my tank up in the Spring and planted it with collected plants in May. The plants down at the canal have changed over to late summer species, while my tank has less light hungry late Spring vegetation. The fish are behaving much like late Spring fish. the behavior is very natural, but the time scale is off. By now, the open areas favored by these darters are weed-choked and filled with young predatory species. The shiners (N heterolepis) are in smaller schools, and much less visible. Only juvenile darters inhabit the old breeding territories. In my tank, both species are active as they were when their habitat looked like its aquarium version. What does this have to do with Apistos? The wide range of fish behavior/habitat change in one short Canadian summer stood up against dry seasons, rainy seasons, flooded forests, etc makes me agree with Dr Kadar. We don't know much about Apistogramma, really. We may though be able to amuse ourselves with seasonal snapshots, if we use large enough tanks. -Gary Elson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!