Actually, there are starting to be some very good golds coming out of Florida. I have been spawning golds from there for three generations now. The real problem with them is that there is no new blood to work into the bloodline. I just crossed a female from the blue line I have been working with for 8 generations (6 generations included new blood from Europe, the States and wild) with a very nice gold male. In about 3-4 generations I should have the blue out of fish. The blue/gold cross is not a very nice looking fish. As far as them spawning goes, I have found that golds prefer golds and blues prefer blues. The only way I got the cross was to put one of each in the tank. Joel WasDyke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!