Thanks for the help. T. gracile wasn't on the list so it's not likely that I'll get that one. I will definitely order some depressum and see what gives, always fascinated with the freaky kinds. I have a couple of big tanks free so space is no object. Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!