Francine, What fun! It sounds to me that you are on the right track, so I'll just add a couple of thoughts. I assume you've thought about the floor loading since we've covered that subject before. Strength of vertical members is limited by slenderness in the narrowest dimension of the cross section. 4x4's are better than 2x6's for vertical members. Strength of horizontal members is limited by the depth. 2x6's are better than 4x4's in the horizontal applications. Unless you are going to have an intermediate vertical support at mid span, you probably want at least 2x6 depth for the 9' span. Finally, don't forget about lateral support, that is the sideways force that would be applied as if someone were pushing on it. Don't just rely on the rigidity of the joints. Some effective ways of accomplishing this are cross bracing, a solid back of at least 12-18" of depth or attachment to the wall. I hope this is of some use. Good luck. Don Barry -----Original Message----- From: Fbethea [mailto:francinebethea@excite.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:14 AM To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Fishwall Hi, I will have an opportunity to have a fishroom very soon. I am drawing up plans for a stand that will hold 5 10 gallon tanks on the top row, 4 20 gallon tanks, on the second row and a 20 gallon long, a 10 gallon and a 30 gallon on the bottom row. Underneath the bottom row, I intend to build two drawers to hold supplies. The entire stand will be approx 9'-3" long and 5'-8" tall. The shelving will be 14 inches wide with cross members 16" on center. My first draft called for 4x4 vertical end members with 2x4's with cleats for the center supports. The 4x4's will be notched and bolted with carriage bolts to hold the shelves. I will be using 1/4 plywood to cover the shelving since the tanks will rest on the shelves edges. My second draft called for the use of 2x6 vertical members and 2x4's with cleats for the center supports. Everything else will be the same. Is the first draft with the 4x4's overkill? Will the second draft design have to be attached to the wall at the top? Will I have to secure the 2x6's at the bottom as well? I am sorry that this letter was as long as it is, but I am excited about this project and going nuts as well. I think I am to close to it and I need outside and objective views on the matter. Thank you in advance, Francine in MD Fish - photography - genealogy ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!