David, Mia Culpa and 50 lashes with a whip-tailed pleco. I should have learned by now never to trust every thing that's in writing. As for the Apisto Study Group, like every other volunteer organization, you get out what you put into it. The all volunteer staff has limits to the time it can put in. The ASG publicizes information by experienced dwarf cichlid hobbyists that you will be hard pressed to find anywhere else. (Suppose, God forbid, that the ASG decided to set up a mailing list like this one and all of its experienced members responded only to other ASG members. How many of the respondents on this list do you think it would lose? How much information would not be available?) Discounted d.c. related aquarium books and supplies, a list of people with similar interests, and yes, members access to almost 900 different references on dwarfs, many hard-to-find are only part of what we now provide that nonmembers would find hard, if not impossible, to duplicate. In the next year we should have a species list going that shows who keeps and/or breeds what d.c.; an active species maintenance program; beginning and advanced slide programs about maintaining, breeding, identifying, and recently introduced species of dwarf cichlids. There has been talk of having on line chat rooms and even on line programs. All of this will take time, money, and people. The ASG, like all such organizations, could use a lot more of each. Instead of people complaining about a glass being mostly empty, we need people ready to fill it to the top. Mike Wise "David A. Youngker" wrote: > From: Mike Wise > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:10 AM > > >> Search http://altavista.digital.com for > >> "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > > > > The last sentence will lead you to old posts. > > When's the last time anyone actually *tried* this rather than simply quote > it? ... And even the ASG's site contains nothing more than references to > its > officers and offers for subscriptions. So retrievable information isn't even > possible from the group *dedicated* to the fishes' study (which, other than > the occasional mag, makes one wonder just what benefits are to be gained by > membership)... > -Y- > > David A. Youngker > nestor10@mindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~nestor10 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!