In a message dated 11/23/99 2:30:53 PM, you wrote: <<What would you say if population A' (that can breed with sp. A but not with sp. B) and population B' (vice-versa) can interbreed? All of this being in mind that it MUST be natural. The guppy was introduced in Brazil as a larvofagous (is this right?, help me Tsuh) and now, here in Sao Paulo, we can collect the "barrigudinho-pintado" (Poecilia vivipara) with many patterns of guppy. In tanks or ponds they interbreed freely, but once the introduction was artificial, we can't say that they are of the same species. Thanks god I'm not a taxonomist.>> I just finished a paper on the taxonomy of several species of moths from western North America. Previous authors working with little material named several species from separate localities. When I assembled more material it became evident that all were part of a widespread species with clinal variation. I imagine that working with Apistos is a little like what the earlier authors faced - not enough material. Also, lepidopterists working on western North American species face a situation of many young taxa. The present climate is relatively recent, so many species are just "figuring out who they are" so to speak. There are some taxa that behave as separate species in some or most areas but become as one in others. This could easily be the case for our favorite fish too, and it certainly confuses things for those of us who like to classify organisms. Lepidopterists rely on many things to try and sort this out: morphology, habitat, food plant preferences, coexistence of two or more forms etc. By the way, I believe that humans easily satisfy classical criteria for subspecies, although we are blurring the lines by moving around so much in recent times. We get around that by calling ourselves different races - a category without taxonomic recognition. However, I'm with Mike W. in considering all of us to be the same family. Lars ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!