Hi, I have a killie-like story about some apistos. About 2 months ago, I set up a 30 inch 23 gallon tank for two species of apisto, as I had a temporary overcrowding problem. To manage any aggro, I threw in some of my dried oak leaves, from the secret stock in the bag under the njisseni tank. I had cf juruense and cf gibbiceps in there, a pair of each. The gibbs started to beat up on the juruense, so after two weeks of their having been together, I moved the gibbs to a larger tank. The female juruense died of injuries, and I left the spectacular male on his own with 5 N beckfordi pencils for a month, til I got a new female today. After I put her in, I suddenly saw a gaggle of half a dozen juvenile cf. gibbiceps come cruising out, healthy, happy and hefty. I guess they were easier to breed than I thought... It says something for a leafy habitat though. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!