Hi All I just thought I'd place my bid for the ideal tetra dither. Neolebias ansorgii. I had a group of a dozen in a 15 gallon tank set up with some driftwood, small clay pots, a coconut shell, plastic plants and a cover of floating water sprite. Not only did four species of dwarfs, (Dicrossis maculata, D. filamentosus, A. pertensis & A.cf meinkeni) spawn in the setup but I have also pulled out at least 30 Neolebias fry. They are difficult to find but if you ever see them, get them. Tom Wojtech ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!