David Sanchez wrote: > > Thanks a ton David I have two big oak trees next to my > house that are going to become my best source for > caves LOL I am thinking of using the leaves in a bare > bottom tank do you think this would work well? Thanks > for your advice. David, I pull brown leaves off a set of small oaks in the park across from my house. I check for bird droppings, then bag them and leave them. I throw them in unboiled, and at low-end apisto temperatures, they are good for a couiple of months. Don't leave them too long as that gets messy. I have one apisto tank that's 1/3 leaves, 2/3 plants and it works well. Use sponge, box or UG filters though. My fish still prefer caves or rocks (dicrossus) for spawning, but they take the fry right to the leaves. I always feed as far from the leaves as possible, so i can catch at least a few of the fry. It makes an interesting background for photos, especially when autumn leaves have just made it to the bottom. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!