Hello All I have to let everyone know I just hate this topic of using leaves in their tanks. Nothing against the leaves. What bugs me most is that I'm assuming you folks still have leaves around to pick from. Mine were gone off our trees here since basically October 15th. It's snowing here in Northern New York tonight, cold and nasty. We are supposed to get upwards of 4 inches of snow and you folks still have leaves on trees to pick from. My holiday wish is for it to stop snowing for the rest of the year and beginning of next year too. No more snow until Christmas 2000. I will then be happy again. Until then I grimace every time I see messages about picking Oak or Magnolia leaves from your trees. Sorry for being grumpy. Living in the Tundra sometimes is no fun. Even if I've got great water out of the tap. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!