i forgot to mention this : my thayeri are very shy fish, in spite of their size. when my other cichlids spawned (Pelv. pulcher, Nann. anomala, Ap. Rotpunkt), they were never that shy, i'd see them herding their fry around the tank. even not spawning, all other cichlids i have (Laetacara dorsiger, Microg. altispinosa, A. panduro, A. pertensis etc.) do not hide at all. but the thayeri are very jumpy and always hiding. funny thing. tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!