The remarks about the shyness are the complete opposite of the batch of six that I had a few years ago. I ended up giving them away because they were clubbing everything in the tank with them. In fact, I would have paid to get tid of them if noone wanted to take them. A couple of Cory barbatus, P. altispinosa and a Crenicichla regani female were on the victim list. I have had no desire since then to keep that fish. Joel WasDyke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!