RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas

["Hess, Clay A" <clay.a.hess@boeing.com>]

Perhaps this is a foolish question.  But, does the T-shirt design have
to have the club logo on it as we use it today?  Seems we have had
shirts in the past that did not necessarily have the club logo on it.
Seems I have seen a similar approach to T-shirts from a number of
clubs....sure, they usually put the Club Name on the shirts....but, not
always the club logo.  Do all clubs have a logo?  Just some questions if
all we are trying to accomplish is getting the T-shirts printed.

Clay

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Welenofsky [mailto:welenofsky@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:26 AM
To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members'
Subject: RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas


Well, it's not like we are a McDonald's co-corporation, so I can't see
why we cannot look into coming up with some ideas. People don't get off
the freeway, and look for the fish logo to find the club. There is no
reason why the current logo could not be improved. I have a degree in
fashion, and a minor in art, and have three friends that are graphic
artists, and I see some really great stuff. I've had two logos done up
for the purse company I was doing awhile ago by two different graphic
artists (for under $200!).

Designing a logo is not like having people over to your house. When a
person brings people over to their home that may involve doing a lot of
clean-up, not just in the fishtanks themselves, and getting things ready
for visitors. Space is another consideration if you are like me, and
live in a 744 square feet. I really didn't have room for a palladium,
and really just wasn't interested. My last place was quite humid, and to
have an open air aquarium, with not a lot of water for fish, wasn't an
idea I really liked. If I lived in Florida, and could have it outside,
then yes, maybe I would have tried it. I was interested in the home
show, but didn't feel like my tanks or place were worthy enough!

Wearing the club logo is a little different than just having it on
paper. It is more a personal decision. 

I thought the shirt would be a good way to promote the club, but it
seems that the shirt is just more-or-less going to be a pretty picture
of a fish on the back, and $2.00 more to have everything crammed onto a
pocket in the front. I did come up with ideas for the shirt with a
successful graphic artist, but everyone on the board just wants to
ignore all that, and have a ton of white space underneath the fish,
which we thought did not look good. I thought it would be a good way to
promote the club, from all angles, with different ways of engaging
outside interest. Not everyone wants to question the origin of shirt
with a fish on it verbally.

Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com
[mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Winchester
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:56 PM
To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas

There are many valid points brought out here. The contest idea sounds
good 
but it has not been well received by the membership. For instance not
only 
was the home show turnout light, the participation in the rainforest
tank 
contest was much worse.

I for one believe the current logo provides a great deal of unique
identity 
for our club. Sure we could have a very colorful, photo realistic fish
logo 
but in my opinion that is not what a logo should be. As mentioned that
would

also be difficult to reproduce on printed materials and the web. If the
logo

is not reproduced consistently every time it looses effectiveness for 
identity and association with the club, that's the underlying purpose of
a 
logo.

My $.02

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members" 
<gsas-board@thekrib.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas


> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Susan Welenofsky wrote:
>
>> Well, it does work, but there might be something even better. We will
>> never
>> know unless we try.
>
> I suppose a reason *not* to change is that a logo is meant to provide 
> a
> certain degree of continuity within an organization.
>
>> Not everyone is fond of the logo.
>
> Yeah, I know there's a few people in the club who have hated the 
> current
> logo.  Rick has disliked it since he joined (he asked at his first
board 
> meeting if we could change it, and has been tweaking it ever since in
his 
> graphics).  I guess if one thinks it's supposed to be an Orca, that
would 
> be a reason to dislike it.



At first glance, it does look like an Orca. And when I think Orca, I
don't think tropical freshwater aquarium fishes. 



>
>> I appreciate it more now, though, after learning it was not from 
>> 1977.
>
> I don't really understand why its being created in 1996 vs. 1977 is an
> issue really.  As I mentioned in the previous e-mail, we didn't uproot
the

> old one in 1996 because it was "stale", we did it because it was not
> effective, and not really a logo at all.  I would ALSO note that in
1996, 
> the club was in the middle of a serious overhaul as a club, holding
bowl 
> shows, pulling in national speakers for the first time in 5 or more
years,

> and this was one of MANY things we did.
>
>> However, there are other
>> talented people in the club who might be able to do another one.
>
> Yeah, it sounds like this is a vehicle for Kate (now a non-member) to 
> do a

> new logo.


And what would be wrong with that??? She did offer up her fish painting
for the shirt, which she typically gets $400 for. That's not something
to sneeze at. My opinion is if you can something for free, then good
going! 

Maybe we shouldn't use her fish painting, since she is not an official
club member, after all. I think we should just let the painting of the
killifish go then. It would be better suited for the killi club. So who
has another idea for a fish picture? Is there a member in the club who
is? Have a "Member-Only" designed shirt?


>> It is just an idea. Why let things go stale? Is it not a fun idea to 
>> have

>> a contest for a new one, and see what other people can do? Maybe
>> something over the summer break? I think it would be a nice way to 
>> include everyone on project. It is a club, right? I hope we are able
to 
>> put forth new ideas once in a while. If there is nothing better than
the 
>> current logo, then, we don't need to change it, but if the new image
was 
>> acceptable and better, then wouldn't that be a nice thing?
>
> I have a question: are there any other contests GSAS is currently 
> holding
> that folks are participating in?  Ones that are directly relevant to
the 
> club's purpose, as opposed to "meta contests"?  Like fish spawning,
fish 
> grow-out, photography, articles, shows?  I was very pleased that there
was

> a home show this year, but it was kinda sparse.



I think one of the problems we are having is not enough volunteer chair
positions are filled. I have been trying to help out by being a board
member and a treasurer, and a membership coordinator, and by going to
more club and board meetings than I really want to. Maybe people don't
perceive the chair positions as being a lot more work than "fun". I
think it's important that once we do get a volunteer for something,
appreciate the help, and let each person to be their own to an extent.
Getting on someone's case about something is a good way to drive off
that help. I almost quit in the beginning because of that. -S


>
> Has anyone offered to take on the newsletter?  There's another outlet 
> for
> creativity that's sorely missed.
>
> I'm sorry that I come off sounding like a grumpy old guy, but it has
> always been my thought that you work on the CONTENTS of a package
before 
> you work on the box, frame or trimmings.  Bob and the board have done
some

> very cool and impressive things to this end, with the speaker line-up 
> this

> year, and the new digs.  That's good content in my book.
>
>   - Erik
>
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