From: "Rick Rose" <rick-rose@comcast.net>
Reply-To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board
members<gsas-board@thekrib.com>
To: "'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members'"
<gsas-board@thekrib.com>
Subject: RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:40:09 -0800
Two months ago, the board discussed at length during the November board
meeting both the T-Shirt design and the logo. At that time, we voted to
proceed with the T-Shirt design as documented in the November meeting
minutes. We also agreed that we did NOT want to change the logo.
Because of Susan's email just before last Thursday's board meeting (the
December meeting) where Kate's ideas for putting the T-Shirt design to a
vote before the full membership, and changing the logo were forwarded to
the
board list, it went on the board meeting agenda again. Although the
December minutes have not yet been completed or published, they do/will
reflect that the board members present UNANIMOUSLY voted to proceed with
the
previously approved T-Shirt design, NO club-wide contest, and NO CHANGES
to
the logo. Because of Kate's odd statement to "see if Rick will go for
that," I will add that Bob made this motion and Sandu Seconded it.
I hope that the fact that the board does not agree with you on the
specifics
of the T-Shirt design (and logo) have not taken all the joy out of the
project for you. Your idea to have a custom T-Shirt created for the club
is
a good idea that the entire board is supporting. We voted to proceed
quickly so as to have the shirts available at the February Plant Auction.
There were plenty of times, especially during my first year on the board,
that I was in the minority on an issue. You, as I did, have passionately
defended your position. But, in the end, when the board takes a vote
that
vote must be honored and the matter settled.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com
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On Behalf Of Susan Welenofsky
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:44 AM
To: 'Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members'
Subject: RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas
A lot of logos have gone through improvements over the years in big
recognizable corporations. And, about the only time people really see the
logo, is on the website. It's not on our checks or on our receipts, and
we
are not a huge international corporation, so I don't think it is a big
deal
to change it.
Susan
-----Original Message-----
From: gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com
[mailto:gsas-board-bounces@thekrib.com]
On Behalf Of simion
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:31 AM
To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas
I agree with Paul. A logo must have continuity. Maybe it's not the
absolute
perfect logo, but it strongly evokes our particular Northwest Indian
folklore. I would suggest the club to continue to use it.
Sandu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Winchester" <bravo454@hotmail.com>
To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members"
<gsas-board@thekrib.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas
> There are many valid points brought out here. The contest idea sounds
good
> but it has not been well received by the membership. For instance not
only
> was the home show turnout light, the participation in the rainforest
tank
> contest was much worse.
>
> I for one believe the current logo provides a great deal of unique
identity
> for our club. Sure we could have a very colorful, photo realistic fish
logo
> but in my opinion that is not what a logo should be. As mentioned that
would
> also be difficult to reproduce on printed materials and the web. If
the
logo
> is not reproduced consistently every time it looses effectiveness for
> identity and association with the club, that's the underlying purpose
of a
> logo.
>
> My $.02
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society board members"
> <gsas-board@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [GSAS-board] Library and New Ideas
>
>
> > On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Susan Welenofsky wrote:
> >
> >> Well, it does work, but there might be something even better. We
will
> >> never
> >> know unless we try.
> >
> > I suppose a reason *not* to change is that a logo is meant to
provide a
> > certain degree of continuity within an organization.
> >
> >> Not everyone is fond of the logo.
> >
> > Yeah, I know there's a few people in the club who have hated the
current
> > logo. Rick has disliked it since he joined (he asked at his first
board
> > meeting if we could change it, and has been tweaking it ever since
in
his
> > graphics). I guess if one thinks it's supposed to be an Orca, that
would
> > be a reason to dislike it.
> >
> >> I appreciate it more now, though, after learning it was not from
1977.
> >
> > I don't really understand why its being created in 1996 vs. 1977 is
an
> > issue really. As I mentioned in the previous e-mail, we didn't
uproot
the
> > old one in 1996 because it was "stale", we did it because it was not
> > effective, and not really a logo at all. I would ALSO note that in
1996,
> > the club was in the middle of a serious overhaul as a club, holding
bowl
> > shows, pulling in national speakers for the first time in 5 or more
years,
> > and this was one of MANY things we did.
> >
> >> However, there are other
> >> talented people in the club who might be able to do another one.
> >
> > Yeah, it sounds like this is a vehicle for Kate (now a non-member)
to do
a
> > new logo.
> >
> >
> >> It is just an idea. Why let things go stale? Is it not a fun idea
to
have
> >> a contest for a new one, and see what other people can do? Maybe
> >> something over the summer break? I think it would be a nice way to
> >> include everyone on project. It is a club, right? I hope we are
able to
> >> put forth new ideas once in a while. If there is nothing better
than
the
> >> current logo, then, we don't need to change it, but if the new
image
was
> >> acceptable and better, then wouldn't that be a nice thing?
> >
> > I have a question: are there any other contests GSAS is currently
holding
> > that folks are participating in? Ones that are directly relevant to
the
> > club's purpose, as opposed to "meta contests"? Like fish spawning,
fish
> > grow-out, photography, articles, shows? I was very pleased that
there
was
> > a home show this year, but it was kinda sparse.
> >
> > Has anyone offered to take on the newsletter? There's another
outlet
for
> > creativity that's sorely missed.
> >
> > I'm sorry that I come off sounding like a grumpy old guy, but it has
> > always been my thought that you work on the CONTENTS of a package
before
> > you work on the box, frame or trimmings. Bob and the board have
done
some
> > very cool and impressive things to this end, with the speaker
line-up
this
> > year, and the new digs. That's good content in my book.
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> > --
> > Erik Olson
> > erik at thekrib dot com
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