>I have treated my fish with various Ick meds and have seen very little change. >My fish do have the clamped >fin appearance as well, like you mention. Clay- That fits well with my theory about yours being a skin fluke problem. The fish can have clamped fins for quite a while before dying, water changes aggravate the flukes, and Ich medication bothers the flukes but usually doesn't kill them. But of course african cichlids will shimmy like that if the water is wrong somehow. Maybe you could get a skin-slime sample to someone with a microscope and have them look for flukes. Or you could try treating with Fluke Tabs. Steev ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please send mail to majordomo@thekrib.com with "Unsubscribe gsas-member" in the body of the message. Archives of this list can be found at http://lists.thekrib.com/gsas-member/