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Re: [GSAS-Member] Dwarf Frogs
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- Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Dwarf Frogs
- From: "A JACOBSON" <amjacobson52@msn.com>
- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:39:10 -0700
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No underground filter on that tank.
I found a great use for the undergravel filter on my 39 gal tank though, once I
had successfully switched over the An Aqua - Clear. It's my CO2 diffuser. Ran
airlines as far as I could down through the portals, 4 of them, and then
attached them to a gang valve which was getting feed from my DIY still, I mean
CO2 generator. I've never seen a bubble, and the plants thrive.
Anita
----- Original Message -----
From: Kate Breimayer<mailto:kate@munat.com>
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Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Dwarf Frogs
Do you have an undergravel filter in it? Maybe it is full of mulm that
is dissolving into the tank. Happens a lot. Also are you feeding any
spirulina tabs? They cloud the water fast if not eaten.
I have a new theory on UG filters, they are great mini pallets for
keeping boxes off the basement floor. More often than not they have been
causing problems for people I know, trapping solid particles and
releasing them as liquid waste, frustrating the growth of plants or
aquarists trying to remove well rooted plants, trapping and killing fry,
etc.
If you don't want to tear down the tank and remove a UG filter you can
dig down to the plate and clear the gravel (blowing it away with a
turkey baster gets the straggler pieces) then remove the uplift tube and
shove a siphon down there and try and remove the mulm. Might have to do
it on both ends of the tank to get it all. It is shocking how much brown
goo is usually in there after a year. Don't know if a full UG filter
would result in the rest of the waste sitting on the gravel.
The blood worms in a block might be a problem too, are they frozen? Some
people thaw them in a cup, strain it through a net and drop the worms in
the tank and flush the juice as it is full of dissolved nutrients that
decompose. Or maybe they are not eating all the worms.
Don't know squat about the frogs, sorry :) The crab sounds really cool
though!
Kate
A JACOBSON wrote:
>I've got 2 dwarf frogs as permanent inhabitants in my 20 gal quarantine
tank. Once every other day I feed them a block of blood words, & they are both
fat & happy afterwards. There are only a few other permanent residents of that
tank - two monk tetras, a botia stratia, and a clown pleco. Oh, & a small red
crab that shows up whenever I put in shrimp pellets. Right now 6 cherry barbs
& 2 flying foxes (all very small) are being quarantined there. Other than the
blood worms, I am feeding that tank flakes, and occasionally a few shrimp
pellets, just to confirm that the crab is still alive.
>
>That tank, unlike every other tank I have, gets extremely fouled from week
to week, even though I'm doing 25% water changes each week religiously. The
water is clear, but this junk (can't think of a better description) piles up on
the substrate, mainly accumulating where I feed the frogs, & an area they like
to hide in.
>
>Are they the cause of this tremendous water fouling? Should I separate them
into 2 tanks to keep it down? Or should I just ask someone on the list if they
want a dwarf frog?
>
>Anita (who is not looking forward to trying to trap one of these fast frogs)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hess, Clay
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> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
>
>
> Anita,
>
> Gotcha. I would agree a 3 hour dawn or dusk cycle is a bit
> lengthy....though I would love to see it, if I had the right sunset or
> sunrise.....would be cool to watch.
> My friend that owns the saltwater tank with the wild computer driven
> lighting and heating system on it is from Hawaii and he is a
> she.......~~laughing~~.......I know, too much info.
>
> Clay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
>
>
> I wasn't actually addressing you, but somewhere early in this thread
> someone said "I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set
> of 1000K/Deep Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for
> 5 then back to the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you
> think?" A delayed reaction, I'll admit, but your description of your
> friend with the really cool light cycle on his tank (which sounded
> perfect) reminded me of my original concern when reading about a 3 hour
> dawn & a 3 hour dusk.
>
> Anita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hess, Clay
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> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
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>
> Anita,
>
> I am not sure if you are talking about the time I have my lights on or
> something else. But, I am not trying to simulate any cycle with my
> fish. The vast majority of my fish were bred in tanks here the
> states,
> for who knows how many generations, and I am not sure they would
> recognize a cycle if shown one now....~~laughing~~. My neighbors tank
> does simulate the dawn to dusk cycle according to the tropics,
> specifically the tropical Pacific, since that is where the majority of
> her fish came from. I don't know how that affects her fish. She
> might,
> I have never asked her though. Could be an interesting question
> though.
>
> Clay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A JACOBSON [mailto:amjacobson52@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
>
>
> I have a little problem with the long dawn / dusk periods, at least
> from
> a theoretical standpoint. At the equator dawn & dusk are very short
> --
> the farther away from the equator, the longer the transitional
> periods.
> If we're talking about tropical fish, I would think the equatorial
> model
> would be closer to what they would naturally encounter. If you had a
> species only tank, it might be neat to find out how long dawn/dusk
> lasts
> in the area they come from, and duplicate that.
>
> Those natural moon cycles are incredibly cool, though.
>
> Anita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hess, Clay
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> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
>
>
> Al,
>
> Yes, you are correct. I actually have a combination of a number of
> various spectrum lights on three different aquariums. Each seems to
> do
> well, two of the tanks have the 10,000K lights on them, one is a
> combo
> 10,000K/6700K bulb I believe. I do not cycle my lights relative to
> one
> another, they all come on in the morning (~5am)and are on til about
> 11pm
> at night. I do not currently use CO2 on any of my tanks. And, I do
> not
> have a wet/dry filter on any of these tanks at this time, they
> primarily
> use back filters.
>
> My one 100 gallon tank has, the 10,000K/6700K combo light and a
> 5000K
> bulb on one side of it (all from AH supply) and the other side is 5
> 13
> watt compact flourescent lights that replace 5 standard 60 watt
> incandescent bulbs (put together from Home Depot parts). I flip
> these
> two hoods from side to side on the tank about every other month. I
> really like the look of the fish under the combo light side, the
> "Home
> Depot" side is much yellower and not as bright. The "Home Depot"
> side
> tends to produce more algae, but, the plants grow faster too. SO,if
> I
> flip the two sides back and forth it seems to control the algae
> better
> and lets the plants have bursts of growth and then slow periods as
> well
> with nothing dying. The fish in this tank include a number of
> rainbows
> and tetras that look really good in the combo light, but, not so
> good
> under the "Home Depot" lights. This tank has sword plants, crypts,
> anubias, floating plants and some java fern. This tank has very
> little
> algae growth on the walls of the tank too.
>
> Another 100 gallon tank has a mix of two 4 foot shop lights
> (Spectralight bulbs)(from Home Depot again), two 36" bulbs (from The
> Fish Store in Seattle), one is a 10,000K light, the other is a full
> spectrum bulb and a 11 watt (~7 bulb)compact flourescent bulb (from
> Home
> Depot) at one end. This tank is much darker than my other 100
> gallon
> tank, but, it is also much heavier planted with anubias, java fern
> and
> bulbitus. I really like the way my fish with blue colors show up in
> this tank. I have some peacocks and C. Moorii in this tank that are
> dynamite to look at. However, my clown loaches do now show well in
> this
> tank at all. The plants in this tank grow very slowly, but, I have
> very
> little algae build up on the tank walls too and I like the low
> maitenance of that.
>
> I have been experimenting with my other two tanks, a 55 hexagon and
> another 100 gallon tank and cannot get a combination of lighting
> that
> works well at slowing the algae growth in them. Part of the reason
> for
> this I believe is the amount of natural light these two tanks see.
> Soooo, I am not sure it would be helpful to explain what the
> lighting
> is
> on these two, other than to say, neither tank has a 10,000K light on
> them.
>
> Finally, your question about shifting the lighting to simulate dawn
> to
> dusk sounds interesting from a visual perspective. I have a
> neighbor
> with a system that does this on her reef tank. It is computer
> controlled and simulates the moon phases, as well as the daylight
> hours
> throughout the year. Major money in her system, but, it is cool to
> watch with her corals and such....the corals and other live critters
> do
> react to the changes in light and you can see them do it. On a
> plant
> tank I am not sure you can see any reaction other than the fish
> finding
> a sleeping place for the night. I would like to hear how this all
> goes
> for you when you have it up and running the way you would like to
> have
> it.
>
> Clay
>
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> Subject: [GSAS-Member] Using Actinic/Blue Lights in Freshwater
>
>
> Thanks for all the responses.
>
> Clay- What exactly is your light config? Are you using the 10000K
> lights
> and if so what is the color cast (I think it is a bluish white)? It
> sounded like you used the 10000K or 10000K/Deep Blue combo lights
> with
> a
> 6700K or 5000K light. Is this correct?
>
> I am currently using the AH supply retrofit kit 4 x 96 watt CF
> bulbs.
> One pair of 5000K and one pair of 6700K. I run the lights on a cycle
> of
> the pair of 5000K lights turning on for 5 hrs or so and the pair of
> 6700K lights taking over for another 5 hours with some overlap with
> all
> 4 of the lights on for 0.5 hrs or so. I like the change that occurs
> with
> the different lights but although the CRI is quite high with the
> 5000K
> &
> 6700K lights I wondered if the 10000K or lights might make the fish
> look
> better. I tend to like a bluer light despite my having pretty white
> lights now.
>
> I am thinking that the dawn to dusk effect of using a set of
> 1000K/Deep
> Blue lights for 3 hours switching to the 6700K lights for 5 then
> back
> to
> the 1000K/Deep Blue lights will achieve this. What do you think?
>
> I don't have a lot of plants other than annubus and a couple of java
> fern, but they do not grow much. I believe that I don't have enough
> CO2
> in the water because of my wet/dry trickle filter and my main
> interest
> is the fish.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Al
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