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Re: [GSAS-Member] Fish & temperature
Great idea!
John
On Apr 4, 2005, at 12:42 AM, A JACOBSON wrote:
In an effort to more closely mimic nature, I do exactly the opposite
with my fish. I vary feeding times, I vary feeding methods & foods. I
watch them forage for sometimes hours afterwards. They seem occupied
(rather than just hanging around for the next meal) and my tanks are
cleaner. The foraging keeps them occupied, and I hope, more content.
I do the same thing with my parrot & cockatiels. Since foraging would
be a major occupier of their intelligence & effort in the wild, I
present all sorts of foraging opportunities for them -- puzzle feeders
where they have to work hard to get to the goodies, foraging
multilayered stacks where they have to push under, through, etc.
various layers of cloth, or junk mail, etc., to get to the treats --
also have to forage through grass pellets to find seeds, etc. They
seem to enjoy their foraging opportunities more than the pellets set
out in dishes. I also vary what they will find in their foraging
attempts -- sometimes it will be red pepper heaven for 3 days, followed
by slivered almonds for 2, then broccoli slaw for another 3 days.
Foraging opportunities also vary by locations.
Anita
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From: John Ruhland<mailto:john@drruhland.com>
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Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Fish & temperature
Most of the fish in my tanks are cichlids. Part of it must be that
they
are in new environs here. Most I have for about one month now. I tend
to overfeed as well, so they don't spend most of their day just
anticipating being fed. I do often wonder if it is fair to keep them
in
these tiny (relatively) tanks. It always makes me sad to see parrots
in
small cages where they can't fly, for the same reason. My young child
sometimes says "I need more space." What if fish could speak to us -
what would they say?
To minimize the chance that this confinement is torture, I'm trying to
at least make sure the fish can count on their meals - using automatic
feeders for one of their feedings per day - so they can count on that,
and feeding them by hand once per day. Of course, prisoners have that
in most cases.
My oscar could eat three or four times per day, I'm sure. Do fish live
longer if they are thinner, like humans?
John
On Apr 2, 2005, at 7:48 AM,
auntie.fran@netzero.net<mailto:auntie.fran@netzero.net> wrote:
That's an interesting observation, John. Are those fish by chance
cichlids? We have three tanks and the only one that are, as you say,
skittish, are the cichlids. The other two either ignore us or beg for
food.
Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional.
-- John Ruhland <john@drruhland.com<mailto:john@drruhland.com>>
wrote:
I've been reading a bit about prisoners rights, criminal justice, etc.
Our fish are kind of like penned prisoners. Other than my Oscar, most
of my
fish tend to be skittish when I walk by, except when they are hungry.
I put a bit of epsom salts in all the tanks to help them relax a bit.
John
On Apr 1, 2005, at 8:05 PM,
DELPHILABS@aol.com<mailto:DELPHILABS@aol.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I am glad that I started this thread -- some good observations.
My own theory is that our fish in tanks are much more stressed than
in
nature. Try as we might, the environments we create are no
substitute
for nature.
I think that our aquarium fish are much more susceptible to
disease
than
the same fish in nature. Sudden temp changes could be the straw that
breaks
the camels back.
Also, using Clay's fine analogy, the kid that lives in the Pacific
Northwest
and is in and out of doors all day long is much more robust and
acclimated
to endure a wide range of temp change. A kid that spent his whole
life in
Hawaii puts on a coat when it gets below 70 degrees. Maybe if we
cycled the
temperatures in our aquariums the fish would become more tolerant?
This is fun, how about a couple more? Has anyone had a fish that
hangs
around a hot heater like you would expect of a cold blooded reptile?
I've never
seen that in my tanks.
Also, my observation diving all over the world, is that most species
are
always in pairs (or schools) in nature. You especially see this in
Butterfly's
and Angels. I used to keep a lot of single fish when I did saltwater
aquaria
years ago. If I ever get back into it, I will ALWAYS try to get
pairs. I
wonder if any of my fish ever died from "loneliness" :-(
Keith
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