Hey guys, I guess this time wasn't meant to be. This morning, I notice the male is not on the stone and abandon the nest and there are only like 1/3 of eggs left. I think the female recycled them. I don't know if she did it because the eggs are no good or what. But I think this maybe the case. I never saw the eggs turned to milky white or grew fungus but they never changed color either. They seem stay clear colored. There are still like 20 clear ones left but nobody fanning or hovering over. So I think he gave them up taking care of them. And that made me think. Was the male too young to fertilized the eggs? Or the water wasn't suited to eggs to develop? Or maybe water have too much movement? I think the water should good enough since our tap is suppose to be less than 220 PPM(according to Seattle water), I don't know what exactly in the term of GH. And I still don't have the test for the hardness. And I even have water go over the bag of peat so it should soften up the water. And water movement should be ok also since the tank is one of those fancy combo type with trickle filter type built in. And water drop from the top gently and I even have some floating plants(frog bit). So I think the male may need more time. Although he showed me he is good Dad who protect the eggs for at least a day. So I think I just let them be and see how they do in next few spawns. And keep them well with good food and frequent water change. If after that and still do not work, I might do something about. So no BAP of Gold Rams for me this time. --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member