Re: [GSAS-Member] Oh well, I guess it wasn't meant to be.

[HIRO TAK <neon98102@yahoo.com>]

  Thanks Paul for the tips,

  For the bare bottom, I'll wait and give them few more tries before I'll try 
that.
It is only the thin layer of sands and few plants in the pots and some stones 
and a driftwood in it.  I had sands because the Corys who is no longer with 
them.  
  For Methylene blue, I hope I don't need to use when and if the parents would 
take care of their young.  Of course, if they don't do the job.  I probably 
have to hatch and something for fungus maybe necessary.  But I probably try 
either tanned water or Hydrogen Peroxide.   I am no chemist but I red that they 
would break down to Oxygen and Water over time.  What would be better than 
that.  And it seems some of the Angel Breeders have been using it and some say 
it works.(I have been going to the Angel forum also.  Since I do have few of 
them now and hoping they too spawn someday).
  And for the live food, I have many jars of infusia at the window sill.  And 
some vinegar eels which I heard the Ram breeding Queen Linda mentioned before.  
And I just got the lazy in-tank brine shrimp hatchery and some sponge filters.  
Although I think I have to figure what the heck I am doing wrong but it seems 
the eggs gather at the wrong side at the moment.  Maybe I have to turn down the 
bubble or something.  I just set it yesterday.  If the thing still don't work 
well, I guess I have to find the space for old school soda pop hatching system. 
 
  And I better take better care of white and Grendel cultures also so they 
actually produce enough worms to feed.

  So I will be ready although it may take little while to get it right.    Just 
like some of the young fish.  They too seem need few tries before they can be 
better at.  Same as Corydoras,  usually the early spawns are not good and it 
usually get better as they mature.  Although I read that Rams are short lived 
of 2~3 years, I cannot take forever perfecting the method of hatching and 
raising.  But they are still about 4 months old and about the half the size of 
the Rams you see at the store.  I should have at least a year and half to work 
with them.  
  And I would not be surprise to see more eggs in 2~3 weeks.  
  I'll let you know how it goes when I do get some wigglers and hopefully the 
swarm of little fish around the parents would be nice.  


Paul Wallace <pwallace@u.washington.edu> wrote: Hero:

This action is completely normal for the fist couple of spawns.  Keep watching 
though as the parents tend to move the egg/wigglers from time to time.

In practicing for spawning rams, I raised a few angels.  I like:

* A dedicated bare bottom tank.
* Methylene blue in the water to help prevent fungus.
* A live food system ready to go.

I prefer baby brine as they have the least ick factor but feeding in excess 
tends to drive down water quality.  In a bare bottom you can better remove the 
waste.  I find that wigglers also get stuck in the gravel if too coarse.  At 
first I would pull ~1 gal of water out a day and replace from my healthy 
planted tank.

Your fish will spawn again so be ready!

-Paul

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, HIRO TAK wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
>  I guess this time wasn't meant to be.  This morning, I notice the male is 
> not on the stone and abandon the nest and there are only like 1/3 of eggs 
> left.  I think the female recycled them.
>  I don't know if she did it because the eggs are no good or what.  But I 
> think this maybe the case.
> I never saw the eggs turned to milky white or grew fungus but they never 
> changed color either.  They seem stay clear colored.  There are still like 20 
> clear ones left but nobody fanning or hovering over.  So I think he gave them 
> up taking care of them.
>
>  And that made me think.
>  Was the male too young to fertilized the eggs?
>  Or the water wasn't suited to eggs to develop?
>  Or maybe water have too much movement?
>
>  I think the water should good enough since our tap is suppose to be less 
> than 220 PPM(according to Seattle water), I don't know what exactly in the 
> term of GH.  And I still don't have the test for the hardness.  And I even 
> have water go over the bag of peat so it should soften up the water.
>  And water movement should be ok also since the tank is one of those fancy 
> combo type with trickle filter type built in.  And water drop from the top 
> gently and I even have some floating plants(frog bit).
>  So I think the male may need more time.  Although he showed me he is good 
> Dad who protect the eggs for at least a day.
>
>  So I think I just let them be and see how they do in next few spawns.  And 
> keep them well with good food and frequent water change.
>
>  If after that and still do not work, I might do something about.
>
>  So no BAP of Gold Rams for me  this time.
>
>
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