Yes it does sound grim. Normally I would add some salt and increase the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa. Good Luck, Linda From my iPhone somewhere or other... linda@bozuk.org On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK <neon98102@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks for the advice Linda, > > But he looks not good. He was not eating much and now he is as > white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim. > I had been keeping the tank around 80F. I did crank it up and hope > it makes difference. But he does not look good. And I have no idea > what cause it. > I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not. And doing so > and I don't want to disturb the female too much either. I hope he > left some off springs. Although he is way too young to die but he > seems to heading to the water in the sky. > I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain. > Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping > the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch. > > I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband. > Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with them. > > Thanks again for the help Linda. > Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed > well before and after spawning - I use > frozen blood worms. > You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84 > even.... > They are annoyingly fragile though. > Good Luck! > Linda > > > On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I hope someone her could help me out. >> As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week. And once >> again, they laid eggs on Wednesday night. And this time I was >> there to see part of the ritual. Anyway, the thing is the Dad have >> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs. I am >> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs. But he has not >> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this >> time around. Although whatever the reason, he may not well. I >> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale >> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter. And they >> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter, >> by the way. >> >> And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be >> tough to do so. But it probably better to do so before the eggs >> hatch I imagine. And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow >> morning or so according to the web site. Or just remove them alone >> since she is not picking him. I did about 1/3 water change >> yesterday. Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue. But >> he still acting same way. >> >> >> I hope someone have the advice for me. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Hiro >> >> P.S. Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl >> Danio may have been eaten by the parents. And I think I need to >> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest >> set up. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> GSAS-Member mailing list >> GSAS-Member@thekrib.com >> http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member > > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member