Re: [GSAS-Member] Need advice about my Gold Rams

[HIRO TAK <neon98102@yahoo.com>]

  Thanks for your help Linda,

  Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky.  Although I did increase 
the temperature but I think it was too late for him to recover.  Probably I 
should have removed him long time ago.  As soon as I notice him being pale.  
  And I had enough time to think about.  More and more I think about, I think 
he was picked by the female although I didn't see it.  And I should've separate 
them sooner.
  I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was not totally 
ready yet.  Like many of the other fish, the female mature younger than the 
male.  And just like the first batch, I don't think these eggs are not 
developing.  Not to mention the time was short between the spawns.  
  Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right.

  For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up again.  Also add 
more plants and decoration to the tank although I thought I have enough but it 
probably better to have more hiding/escape  spots if and when the one abuse the 
other.  And if she does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male 
from the other tank.  And keep the close eyes on them.  Well I only have choice 
between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately.  Maybe because there 
are 2 males or maybe they get more food than used to be.  Since they are in the 
tank with the Albino Angels who know how to beg food from me all the time.  But 
whatever the case, they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just 
lost.  
  I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined.  I hope I can get the 2nd 
generation before I lose anymore.  I will definitely keep even closer eyes on 
them.  If a put the pair in the tank again.

Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: Yes it does sound grim. Normally I would 
add some salt and increase  
the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still  
recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt  
but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa.
Good Luck,
Linda

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linda@bozuk.org

On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK  wrote:

>  Thanks for the advice Linda,
>
>  But he looks not good.  He was not eating much and now he is as  
> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim.
>  I had been keeping the tank around 80F.  I did crank it up and hope  
> it makes difference.  But he does not look good.  And I have no idea  
> what cause it.
>  I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not.  And doing so  
> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either.  I hope he  
> left some off springs.  Although he is way too young to die but he  
> seems to heading to the water in the sky.
>  I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain.
>  Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping  
> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch.
>
>  I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband.
> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with them.
>
>  Thanks again for the help Linda.
> Linda Knapp 
 wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed  
> well before and after spawning - I use
> frozen blood worms.
> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84  
> even....
> They are annoyingly fragile though.
> Good Luck!
> Linda
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>  I hope someone her could help me out.
>>  As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week.  And once
>> again, they laid  eggs on Wednesday night.  And this time I was
>> there to see part of the ritual.  Anyway, the thing is the Dad have
>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs.  I am
>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs.  But he has not
>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this
>> time around.  Although whatever the reason, he may not well.  I
>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale
>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter.  And they
>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter,
>> by the way.
>>
>>  And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be
>> tough to do so.  But it probably better to do so before the eggs
>> hatch I imagine.  And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow
>> morning or so according to the web site.  Or just remove them alone
>> since she is not picking him.  I did about 1/3 water change
>> yesterday.  Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue.  But
>> he still acting same way.
>>
>>
>>  I hope someone have the advice for me.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>                 Hiro
>>
>> P.S.  Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl
>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents.  And I think I need to
>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest
>> set up.
>>
>>
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