Re: [GSAS-Member] Need advice about my Gold Rams

[Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org>]

Sorry to hear he did not make it. But don't beat yourself up too much  
about what you should or should not have done. I think we would all  
go crazy if we did that! It took quite a few pairs before I got some  
rams to breed and I still do not have guaranteed results. They are  
very frustrating.

You'll get there don't worry!
Linda


On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:26 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:

>   Thanks for your help Linda,
>
>   Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky.  Although I  
> did increase the temperature but I think it was too late for him to  
> recover.  Probably I should have removed him long time ago.  As  
> soon as I notice him being pale.
>   And I had enough time to think about.  More and more I think  
> about, I think he was picked by the female although I didn't see  
> it.  And I should've separate them sooner.
>   I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was  
> not totally ready yet.  Like many of the other fish, the female  
> mature younger than the male.  And just like the first batch, I  
> don't think these eggs are not developing.  Not to mention the time  
> was short between the spawns.
>   Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right.
>
>   For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up  
> again.  Also add more plants and decoration to the tank although I  
> thought I have enough but it probably better to have more hiding/ 
> escape  spots if and when the one abuse the other.  And if she  
> does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male from the  
> other tank.  And keep the close eyes on them.  Well I only have  
> choice between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately.   
> Maybe because there are 2 males or maybe they get more food than  
> used to be.  Since they are in the tank with the Albino Angels who  
> know how to beg food from me all the time.  But whatever the case,  
> they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just lost.
>   I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined.  I hope I can  
> get the 2nd generation before I lose anymore.  I will definitely  
> keep even closer eyes on them.  If a put the pair in the tank again.
>
> Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: Yes it does sound grim.  
> Normally I would add some salt and increase
> the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still
> recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt
> but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa.
> Good Luck,
> Linda
>
>  From my iPhone somewhere or other...
> linda@bozuk.org
>
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK  wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for the advice Linda,
>>
>>  But he looks not good.  He was not eating much and now he is as
>> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim.
>>  I had been keeping the tank around 80F.  I did crank it up and hope
>> it makes difference.  But he does not look good.  And I have no idea
>> what cause it.
>>  I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not.  And doing so
>> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either.  I hope he
>> left some off springs.  Although he is way too young to die but he
>> seems to heading to the water in the sky.
>>  I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain.
>>  Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping
>> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch.
>>
>>  I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband.
>> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with  
>> them.
>>
>>  Thanks again for the help Linda.
>> Linda Knapp
>  wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed
>> well before and after spawning - I use
>> frozen blood worms.
>> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84
>> even....
>> They are annoyingly fragile though.
>> Good Luck!
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  I hope someone her could help me out.
>>>  As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week.  And once
>>> again, they laid  eggs on Wednesday night.  And this time I was
>>> there to see part of the ritual.  Anyway, the thing is the Dad have
>>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs.  I am
>>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs.  But he has not
>>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this
>>> time around.  Although whatever the reason, he may not well.  I
>>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale
>>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter.  And they
>>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter,
>>> by the way.
>>>
>>>  And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be
>>> tough to do so.  But it probably better to do so before the eggs
>>> hatch I imagine.  And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow
>>> morning or so according to the web site.  Or just remove them alone
>>> since she is not picking him.  I did about 1/3 water change
>>> yesterday.  Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue.  But
>>> he still acting same way.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I hope someone have the advice for me.
>>>
>>>  Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Hiro
>>>
>>> P.S.  Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl
>>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents.  And I think I need to
>>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest
>>> set up.
>>>
>>>
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