Thanks for the kind word, Linda. I appreciate it. And I will keep trying. And just try not to make same mistakes again. And hopefully someday I can get some swarm of frys to grow. Hiro Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: Sorry to hear he did not make it. But don't beat yourself up too much about what you should or should not have done. I think we would all go crazy if we did that! It took quite a few pairs before I got some rams to breed and I still do not have guaranteed results. They are very frustrating. You'll get there don't worry! Linda On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:26 AM, HIRO TAK wrote: > Thanks for your help Linda, > > Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky. Although I > did increase the temperature but I think it was too late for him to > recover. Probably I should have removed him long time ago. As > soon as I notice him being pale. > And I had enough time to think about. More and more I think > about, I think he was picked by the female although I didn't see > it. And I should've separate them sooner. > I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was > not totally ready yet. Like many of the other fish, the female > mature younger than the male. And just like the first batch, I > don't think these eggs are not developing. Not to mention the time > was short between the spawns. > Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right. > > For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up > again. Also add more plants and decoration to the tank although I > thought I have enough but it probably better to have more hiding/ > escape spots if and when the one abuse the other. And if she > does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male from the > other tank. And keep the close eyes on them. Well I only have > choice between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately. > Maybe because there are 2 males or maybe they get more food than > used to be. Since they are in the tank with the Albino Angels who > know how to beg food from me all the time. But whatever the case, > they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just lost. > I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined. I hope I can > get the 2nd generation before I lose anymore. I will definitely > keep even closer eyes on them. If a put the pair in the tank again. > > Linda Knapp wrote: Yes it does sound grim. > Normally I would add some salt and increase > the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still > recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt > but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa. > Good Luck, > Linda > > From my iPhone somewhere or other... > linda@bozuk.org > > On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK wrote: > >> Thanks for the advice Linda, >> >> But he looks not good. He was not eating much and now he is as >> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim. >> I had been keeping the tank around 80F. I did crank it up and hope >> it makes difference. But he does not look good. And I have no idea >> what cause it. >> I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not. And doing so >> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either. I hope he >> left some off springs. Although he is way too young to die but he >> seems to heading to the water in the sky. >> I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain. >> Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping >> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch. >> >> I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband. >> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with >> them. >> >> Thanks again for the help Linda. >> Linda Knapp > wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed >> well before and after spawning - I use >> frozen blood worms. >> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84 >> even.... >> They are annoyingly fragile though. >> Good Luck! >> Linda >> >> >> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I hope someone her could help me out. >>> As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week. And once >>> again, they laid eggs on Wednesday night. And this time I was >>> there to see part of the ritual. Anyway, the thing is the Dad have >>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs. I am >>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs. But he has not >>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this >>> time around. Although whatever the reason, he may not well. I >>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale >>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter. And they >>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter, >>> by the way. >>> >>> And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be >>> tough to do so. But it probably better to do so before the eggs >>> hatch I imagine. And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow >>> morning or so according to the web site. Or just remove them alone >>> since she is not picking him. I did about 1/3 water change >>> yesterday. Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue. But >>> he still acting same way. >>> >>> >>> I hope someone have the advice for me. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Hiro >>> >>> P.S. Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl >>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents. And I think I need to >>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest >>> set up. >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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