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Re: [GSAS-Member] Need advice about my Gold Rams



HIRO:

I was lucky enough to have a pair acquired from Linda spawn 2 days ago.  They 
dug a pit in the aqua soil and spawned ~ 40 eggs.  The female is aggressive and 
chases away the rogue male while the male from pair sits on the eggs while the 
female is out.

I think this is important because the trio is in a 55gal tank with lots of room 
and dither fish.  In the past i have kept pairs in 5 and 10 gal tanks but every 
so often one of the pair determines that the other is an enemy and drives them 
off.  In a small take this does not end well.

So I would recommend upgrading to a 20 or 29 (Meridith reports spawns on 
alternating sides with two pairs in her 29 gal) or pulling out on adult right 
after spawning and the second after ~ 2 days of wiggler.

-Paul

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, HIRO TAK wrote:

>  Thanks for the kind word, Linda.  I appreciate it.  And I will keep trying.  
> And just try not to make same mistakes again.  And hopefully someday I can 
> get some swarm of frys to grow.
>
>                                                                         Hiro
>
>
> Linda Knapp <linda@bozuk.org> wrote: Sorry to hear he did not make it. But 
> don't beat yourself up too much
> about what you should or should not have done. I think we would all
> go crazy if we did that! It took quite a few pairs before I got some
> rams to breed and I still do not have guaranteed results. They are
> very frustrating.
>
> You'll get there don't worry!
> Linda
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:26 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>
>>   Thanks for your help Linda,
>>
>>   Unfortunately he left for bigger water in the sky.  Although I
>> did increase the temperature but I think it was too late for him to
>> recover.  Probably I should have removed him long time ago.  As
>> soon as I notice him being pale.
>>   And I had enough time to think about.  More and more I think
>> about, I think he was picked by the female although I didn't see
>> it.  And I should've separate them sooner.
>>   I think what happened was she was ready to lay eggs but he was
>> not totally ready yet.  Like many of the other fish, the female
>> mature younger than the male.  And just like the first batch, I
>> don't think these eggs are not developing.  Not to mention the time
>> was short between the spawns.
>>   Of course this is merely my guess but I think I maybe right.
>>
>>   For now, I think I'll keep her by herself until she fill up
>> again.  Also add more plants and decoration to the tank although I
>> thought I have enough but it probably better to have more hiding/
>> escape  spots if and when the one abuse the other.  And if she
>> does, I probably introduce the biggest most colorful male from the
>> other tank.  And keep the close eyes on them.  Well I only have
>> choice between the 2 but they have been coloring up more lately.
>> Maybe because there are 2 males or maybe they get more food than
>> used to be.  Since they are in the tank with the Albino Angels who
>> know how to beg food from me all the time.  But whatever the case,
>> they seem look bigger and more colorful than the male I just lost.
>>   I guess the Rams are more feisty than I imagined.  I hope I can
>> get the 2nd generation before I lose anymore.  I will definitely
>> keep even closer eyes on them.  If a put the pair in the tank again.
>>
>> Linda Knapp
> wrote: Yes it does sound grim.
>> Normally I would add some salt and increase
>> the temp and leave him in the same tank. I think I would still
>> recommend increasing the temp a couple degrees. Not sure about salt
>> but I bet it would be ok for the eggs as well as papa.
>> Good Luck,
>> Linda
>>
>>  From my iPhone somewhere or other...
>> linda@bozuk.org
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:25 PM, HIRO TAK  wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for the advice Linda,
>>>
>>>  But he looks not good.  He was not eating much and now he is as
>>> white as ghost. He also have tougher time to swim.
>>>  I had been keeping the tank around 80F.  I did crank it up and hope
>>> it makes difference.  But he does not look good.  And I have no idea
>>> what cause it.
>>>  I don't think he'll make it either I move it or not.  And doing so
>>> and I don't want to disturb the female too much either.  I hope he
>>> left some off springs.  Although he is way too young to die but he
>>> seems to heading to the water in the sky.
>>>  I just hope some eggs will hatch and he is not dying for vain.
>>>  Although some of the eggs are getting too milky white, I am hoping
>>> the some of the clearer eggs will develop and hatch.
>>>
>>>  I think she will be a widow and have to find another husband.
>>> Sometime I wish the fish can talk and tell me what is wrong with
>>> them.
>>>
>>>  Thanks again for the help Linda.
>>> Linda Knapp
>>  wrote: Is he eating? I like to feed
>>> well before and after spawning - I use
>>> frozen blood worms.
>>> You might increase the temp some also Rams like it warm - 82-84
>>> even....
>>> They are annoyingly fragile though.
>>> Good Luck!
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, HIRO TAK wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>  I hope someone her could help me out.
>>>>  As you know I have tiny Gold Rams spawned last week.  And once
>>>> again, they laid  eggs on Wednesday night.  And this time I was
>>>> there to see part of the ritual.  Anyway, the thing is the Dad have
>>>> been pale colored although he did part and go over the eggs.  I am
>>>> sure he spread/smeared his seeds on the eggs.  But he has not
>>>> colored up and she is the one fanning and guarding the eggs this
>>>> time around.  Although whatever the reason, he may not well.  I
>>>> didn't see the female pick on him or nothing but he is still pale
>>>> colored and stay at the corner behind the sponge filter.  And they
>>>> did laid the eggs on the plastic part of top of the sponge filter,
>>>> by the way.
>>>>
>>>>  And I am wondering if I should remove the male even it would be
>>>> tough to do so.  But it probably better to do so before the eggs
>>>> hatch I imagine.  And they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow
>>>> morning or so according to the web site.  Or just remove them alone
>>>> since she is not picking him.  I did about 1/3 water change
>>>> yesterday.  Since I thought the water quality maybe the issue.  But
>>>> he still acting same way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I hope someone have the advice for me.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Hiro
>>>>
>>>> P.S.  Unfortunately I think the little fry from the Celestial Pearl
>>>> Danio may have been eaten by the parents.  And I think I need to
>>>> set up the breeding tank instead of hands off survival of fittest
>>>> set up.
>>>>
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