http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_loach Here is Wikipedia --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Connie Carlson <nwconniec@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Connie Carlson <nwconniec@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com> > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 12:27 PM > Thanks Shamus! I am resisting looking it up because I am > supposed to be working... ;+) > I will tonight though! > Connie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shamus Young<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com> > To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member > chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > > > Connie: > I can't cut and paste with this java ssh client I use > to read this account > from work, but it's > Misgurnus anguilicaudatus, the dojo or weather loach. > there's a wikipedia page. > > Shamus > > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Connie Carlson wrote: > > > Again, please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly > are Do Jos?? Can someone post a link to > fishlore/fishgeeks/fishbase or throw out the scientific > name so I can look them up? All this talk about them has > me mighty curious. > > > > Thanks! > > Connie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > Trish<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com>> > > To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member > chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>> > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility > > > > > > > > > http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm%3Chttp://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm>> > > > > I found this web site about temp for Corys....My > Goldfish tank is around 70 or so in winter months with no > heat. and of course warmer in summer, about 74 or so...The > corys are fine. > > > > Your right Do Jos almost seem bullet proof.....and > as cute as anything!!! Gotta love their faces! > > > > Trish > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Kypros Hostetter > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu%3Cmailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>> > wrote: > > > > > From: Kypros Hostetter > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu%3Cmailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>> > > > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish > compatibility > > > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society > member chat" > <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>> > > > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 8:57 AM > > > Trish wrote: > > > > Shamus- > > > > > > > > If the gravel is smooth then the Cories, > and Do Jos > > > would be fine. They would make a good clean > up crew with > > > the food which makes it to the bottom....The > Do Jos like to > > > bury themselves, and just have their heads > poking out, its > > > very cute. I have sand as substrate, but have > kept them > > > with gravel as well, and they were fine. But > they prefer > > > the sand. The Goldfish is fine with either, > and picks at > > > both.... > > > > > > > > Yes the cories are tropical, but they > can withstand > > > being without heat...my tanks stay at about > 70 in the > > > winter, and warmer in the summer, so temp > wise they are > > > fine.... Do Jos as well as Goldfish can go > much > > > colder..... > > > > > > > > OH and as to salt,its fine with the > Goldfish, Do Jos, > > > and the Cories....I have been using salt for > years...great > > > preventative, for diseases....I use salt on > all my tanks. > > > > > > > > I would add the Do Jos and Cories, > before adding > > > another Goldfish. > > > > > > > > At least she did take the larger tank, > this will help > > > alot. Now just hope she keeps up on water > changes.....this > > > is the key, water changes, make for healthy > and happy > > > fishies.... > > > > > > > > Trish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young > > > > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: Shamus Young > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish > compatibility > > > >> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium > Society member > > > chat" > <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>> > > > >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:22 > PM > > > >> Thanks to all who responded. > > > >> > > > >> I don't think there's any > chance of > > > getting a > > > >> larger tank. It took enough > > > >> cajoling to get her to take a free > 20g tank to > > > move the > > > >> fish out of it's > > > >> 3g. > > > >> > > > >> I look at this more as damage > control than > > > advising her on > > > >> the perfect > > > >> goldfish setup. The fish is in a > better home. > > > If she > > > >> wants companions > > > >> and is set on getting them, then > steer her towards > > > fish > > > >> that are actually > > > >> compatible. > > > >> > > > >> I'll push the zebras over white > clouds. > > > I'm a > > > >> little reluctant to push > > > >> corys, since I've always thought > of them as > > > tropical. > > > >> I also seem to > > > >> recall that she's got standard > aquarium gravel > > > in > > > >> there, and IIRC, you > > > >> want a fine substrate with Corys so > they don't > > > damage > > > >> their barbels on > > > >> the gravel. I'll confirm the > substrate > > > compatibility > > > >> before I push > > > >> loaches or corys. > > > >> > > > >> Has anyone tried mosquito fish? The > cold water > > > livebearer? > > > >> it sounds > > > >> like they might move too slow. I > guess there > > > would be > > > >> concerns about salt > > > >> content of the water. I don't > know what > > > goldfish like > > > >> regarding salt, but > > > >> from back in the dark ages when I > raised > > > livebearers, I > > > >> added salt. > > > >> > > > >> Shamus > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Trish wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Shamus- > > > >>> > > > >>> I have goldfish, in a 55 gallon > now. And with > > > them, I > > > >>> > > > >> keep the weather > > > >> > > > >>> loaches, and also some > cories....with no > > > heater, all > > > >>> > > > >> get along just > > > >> > > > >>> fine, and have been together in > different > > > tanks > > > >>> > > > >> through about 5 years > > > >> > > > >>> now....started smaller of > course, as small as > > > a 5 > > > >>> > > > >> gallon with the > > > >> > > > >>> goldies, and up to a 30 long, > with weater > > > loaches, and > > > >>> > > > >> now to the 55 > > > >> > > > >>> gal.....I have 6 long finned > goldies, and I > > > think 5 > > > >>> > > > >> weather loaches, > > > >> > > > >>> along with 5 or 6 > cories......Goldfish are > > > quiet > > > >>> > > > >> dirty, so have 2 > > > >> > > > >>> filters on this tank, a > submersable fluval, > > > and also a > > > >>> > > > >> magnum canister > > > >> > > > >>> filter.....so good filteration > is a must with > > > >>> > > > >> goldies..... > > > >> > > > >>> Now with your friend, she has a > 20 gal with 1 > > > golfish, > > > >>> > > > >> they say goldies > > > >> > > > >>> need about 10 gal per fish, so > she COULD add > > > another, > > > >>> > > > >> but given since > > > >> > > > >>> she tried that already, and the > one killed it, > > > maybe > > > >>> > > > >> adding another > > > >> > > > >>> wouldnt be good.....she could > add say 2 or 3 > > > common Do > > > >>> > > > >> Jo's {weather > > > >> > > > >>> loach}, and say 4 cories, this > would be about > > > >>> > > > >> it.....BUT to keep in mind > > > >> > > > >>> a larger tank for the future. > The Do Jos like > > > to be in > > > >>> > > > >> groups, the more > > > >> > > > >>> the better, as well as the > cories...no less > > > than 3 I > > > >>> > > > >> would guess.....The > > > >> > > > >>> green cories, seem to do the > best with the > > > colder > > > >>> > > > >> water.....from what I > > > >> > > > >>> have experienced....I have > several other > > > types, but > > > >>> > > > >> the green seem to > > > >> > > > >>> adapt the best. > > > >>> > > > >>> Any other question feel free to > ask!! > > > >>> > > > >>> Trish > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus > Young > > > >>> > > > >> > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>>> From: Shamus Young > > > > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>> > > > >>>> Subject: [GSAS-Member] > Goldfish > > > compatibility > > > >>>> To: "Greater Seattle > Aquarium Society > > > member > > > >>>> > > > >> chat" > <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>> > > > >> > > > >>>> Date: Thursday, July 10, > 2008, 12:12 AM > > > >>>> Howdy: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I've got a friend who > inherited a > > > goldfish in > > > >>>> > > > >> a small > > > >> > > > >>>> tank, circa 3 gal. > > > >>>> She's accquired a 20 > gallon tank with > > > an > > > >>>> > > > >> eclipse hood, > > > >> > > > >>>> and moved it into > > > >>>> that, which is a positive > step. It's > > > about > > > >>>> > > > >> 3" > > > >> > > > >>>> now. I don't think > it's a > > > >>>> special type. No long fins > or weird eye > > > things, > > > >>>> > > > >> but I > > > >> > > > >>>> don't know > > > >>>> goldfish. To me, it looks > like a large > > > feeder > > > >>>> > > > >> goldfish. > > > >> > > > >>>> There's nothing > > > >>>> in there now but a few > decorations. She > > > tried to > > > >>>> > > > >> introduce > > > >> > > > >>>> another > > > >>>> goldfish, but the one she > has killed it. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> She wants to add companions. > I've > > > pointed > > > >>>> > > > >> out the > > > >> > > > >>>> temperature thing, and > > > >>>> I know a few cold water fish > like white > > > clouds > > > >>>> > > > >> and zebra > > > >> > > > >>>> danios, but don't > > > >>>> know if they are actually > compatible with > > > >>>> > > > >> goldfish. The > > > >> > > > >>>> one article on > > > >>>> goldfish on the krib > didn't really > > > talk about > > > >>>> companions, and I got mixed > > > >>>> messages about it by just > googling it (go > > > >>>> > > > >> figure). One > > > >> > > > >>>> site recommends > > > >>>> zebra danios. The other > says that they > > > will > > > >>>> > > > >> out-compete > > > >> > > > >>>> the goldfish for > > > >>>> food. Another site > recommended weather > > > loaches. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> She seems determined to put > some > > > companions in > > > >>>> > > > >> there. In > > > >> > > > >>>> an attempt to > > > >>>> avoid trial and error and > get an informed > > > >>>> > > > >> opinion, I'm > > > >> > > > >>>> asking the group > > > >>>> for recommendations for > goldfish > > > companions. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Any ideas? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Shamus > > > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> GSAS-Member mailing list > > > >>>> > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member%3Chttp://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>> GSAS-Member mailing list > > > >>> > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com>> > > > >>> > > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member%3Chttp://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> GSAS-Member mailing list > > > >> > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com>> > > > >> > > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member%3Chttp://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I myself would add the Dojo but not the > cories. To me the > > > temp would be > > > on the low end for the cories, so if the > fishkeeper is > > > inexperienced, > > > why not use Dojos. It is my experience that > they are > > > pretty much > > > bulletproof. I have regular gravel, not fine > sand and the > > > dojos do fine. > > > they do like a hiding space, but they are > pretty tough and > > > my dojo does > > > not take any guff from the goldies at all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > GSAS-Member mailing list > > > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com>> > > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member%3Chttp://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member>> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > GSAS-Member mailing list > > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com>> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member%3Chttp://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member>> > > _______________________________________________ > > GSAS-Member mailing list > > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > > > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com<mailto:GSAS-Member@thekrib.com> > > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member<http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member> > _______________________________________________ > GSAS-Member mailing list > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com > http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member _______________________________________________ GSAS-Member mailing list GSAS-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/gsas-member