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Re: [GSAS-Member] Do Jo/Was Goldfish compatibility



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--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Connie Carlson <nwconniec@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Connie Carlson <nwconniec@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 12:27 PM
> Thanks Shamus!  I am resisting looking it up because I am
> supposed to be working...   ;+)
> I will tonight though!
> Connie
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shamus Young<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com> 
>   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member
> chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com> 
>   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:25 AM
>   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> 
> 
>   Connie:
>   I can't cut and paste with this java ssh client I use
> to read this account
>   from work, but it's
>   Misgurnus anguilicaudatus, the dojo or weather loach.
>   there's a wikipedia page.
> 
>   Shamus
> 
> 
> 
>   On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Connie Carlson wrote:
> 
>   > Again, please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly
> are Do Jos??  Can someone post a link to
> fishlore/fishgeeks/fishbase or throw out the scientific
> name so I can look them up?  All this talk about them has
> me mighty curious.
>   >
>   > Thanks!
>   > Connie
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From:
> Trish<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com>>
>   >   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member
> chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
>   >   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:45 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >  
> http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm%3Chttp://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm>>
>   >
>   >   I found this web site about temp for Corys....My
> Goldfish tank is around 70 or so in winter months with no
> heat. and of course warmer in summer, about 74 or so...The
> corys are fine.
>   >
>   >   Your right Do Jos almost seem bullet proof.....and
> as cute as anything!!! Gotta love their faces!
>   >
>   >   Trish
>   >
>   >   --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Kypros Hostetter
> <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu%3Cmailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>>
> wrote:
>   >
>   >   > From: Kypros Hostetter
> <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu%3Cmailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>>
>   >   > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish
> compatibility
>   >   > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society
> member chat"
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>>
>   >   > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 8:57 AM
>   >   > Trish wrote:
>   >   > > Shamus-
>   >   > >
>   >   > > If the gravel is smooth then the Cories,
> and Do Jos
>   >   > would be fine. They would make a good clean
> up crew with
>   >   > the food which makes it to the bottom....The
> Do Jos like to
>   >   > bury themselves, and just have their heads
> poking out, its
>   >   > very cute. I have sand as substrate, but have
> kept them
>   >   > with gravel as well, and they were fine. But
> they prefer
>   >   > the sand. The Goldfish is fine with either,
> and picks at
>   >   > both....
>   >   > >
>   >   > > Yes the cories are tropical, but they
> can withstand
>   >   > being without heat...my tanks stay at about
> 70 in the
>   >   > winter, and warmer in the summer, so temp
> wise they are
>   >   > fine....  Do Jos as well as Goldfish can go
> much
>   >   > colder.....
>   >   > >
>   >   > > OH and as to salt,its fine with the
> Goldfish, Do Jos,
>   >   > and the Cories....I have been using salt for
> years...great
>   >   > preventative, for diseases....I use salt on
> all my tanks.
>   >   > >
>   >   > > I would add the Do Jos and Cories,
> before adding
>   >   > another Goldfish.
>   >   > >
>   >   > > At least she did take the larger tank,
> this will help
>   >   > alot. Now just hope she keeps up on water
> changes.....this
>   >   > is the key, water changes, make for healthy 
> and happy
>   >   > fishies....
>   >   > >
>   >   > > Trish
>   >   > >
>   >   > >
>   >   > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young
>   >   >
> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>>
> wrote:
>   >   > >
>   >   > >
>   >   > >> From: Shamus Young
> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>>
>   >   > >> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish
> compatibility
>   >   > >> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium
> Society member
>   >   > chat"
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com%3Cmailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>>
>   >   > >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:22
> PM
>   >   > >> Thanks to all who responded.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> I don't think there's any
> chance of
>   >   > getting a
>   >   > >> larger tank. It took enough
>   >   > >> cajoling to get her to take a free
> 20g tank to
>   >   > move the
>   >   > >> fish out of it's
>   >   > >> 3g.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> I look at this more as damage
> control than
>   >   > advising her on
>   >   > >> the perfect
>   >   > >> goldfish setup.  The fish is in a
> better home.
>   >   > If she
>   >   > >> wants companions
>   >   > >> and is set on getting them, then
> steer her towards
>   >   > fish
>   >   > >> that are actually
>   >   > >> compatible.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> I'll push the zebras over white
> clouds.
>   >   > I'm a
>   >   > >> little reluctant to push
>   >   > >> corys, since I've always thought
> of them as
>   >   > tropical.
>   >   > >> I also seem to
>   >   > >> recall that she's got standard
> aquarium gravel
>   >   > in
>   >   > >> there, and IIRC, you
>   >   > >> want a fine substrate with Corys so
> they don't
>   >   > damage
>   >   > >> their barbels on
>   >   > >> the gravel.  I'll confirm the
> substrate
>   >   > compatibility
>   >   > >> before I push
>   >   > >> loaches or corys.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> Has anyone tried mosquito fish?  The
> cold water
>   >   > livebearer?
>   >   > >>  it sounds
>   >   > >> like they might move too slow.  I
> guess there
>   >   > would be
>   >   > >> concerns about salt
>   >   > >> content of the water.  I don't
> know what
>   >   > goldfish like
>   >   > >> regarding salt, but
>   >   > >> from back in the dark ages when I
> raised
>   >   > livebearers, I
>   >   > >> added salt.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> Shamus
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Trish wrote:
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> Hi Shamus-
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>> I have goldfish, in a 55 gallon
> now. And with
>   >   > them, I
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> keep the weather
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> loaches, and also some
> cories....with no
>   >   > heater, all
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> get along just
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> fine, and have been together in
> different
>   >   > tanks
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> through about 5 years
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> now....started smaller of
> course, as small as
>   >   > a 5
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> gallon with the
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> goldies, and up to a 30 long,
> with weater
>   >   > loaches, and
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> now to the 55
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> gal.....I have 6 long finned
> goldies, and I
>   >   > think 5
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> weather loaches,
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> along with 5 or 6
> cories......Goldfish are
>   >   > quiet
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> dirty, so have 2
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> filters on this tank, a
> submersable fluval,
>   >   > and also a
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> magnum canister
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> filter.....so good filteration
> is a must with
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> goldies.....
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> Now with your friend, she has a
> 20 gal with 1
>   >   > golfish,
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> they say goldies
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> need about 10 gal per fish, so
> she COULD add
>   >   > another,
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> but given since
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> she tried that already, and the
> one killed it,
>   >   > maybe
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> adding another
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> wouldnt be good.....she could
> add say 2 or 3
>   >   > common Do
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> Jo's {weather
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> loach}, and say 4 cories, this
> would be about
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> it.....BUT to keep in mind
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> a larger tank for the future.
> The Do Jos like
>   >   > to be in
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> groups, the more
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> the better, as well as the
> cories...no less
>   >   > than 3 I
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> would guess.....The
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> green cories, seem to do the
> best with the
>   >   > colder
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> water.....from what I
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> have experienced....I have
> several other
>   >   > types, but
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >> the green seem to
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>> adapt the best.
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>> Any other question feel free to
> ask!!
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>> Trish
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus
> Young
>   >   > >>>
>   >   > >>
> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>>
> wrote:
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> From: Shamus Young
>   >   >
> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com%3Cmailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>>
>   >   > >>>> Subject: [GSAS-Member] 
> Goldfish
>   >   > compatibility
>   >   > >>>> To: "Greater Seattle
> Aquarium Society
>   >   > member
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> chat"
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>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> Date: Thursday, July 10,
> 2008, 12:12 AM
>   >   > >>>> Howdy:
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> I've got a friend who
> inherited a
>   >   > goldfish in
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> a small
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> tank, circa 3 gal.
>   >   > >>>> She's accquired a 20
> gallon tank with
>   >   > an
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> eclipse hood,
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> and moved it into
>   >   > >>>> that, which is a positive
> step.  It's
>   >   > about
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> 3"
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> now.  I don't think
> it's a
>   >   > >>>> special type.  No long fins
> or weird eye
>   >   > things,
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> but I
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> don't know
>   >   > >>>> goldfish.  To me, it looks
> like a large
>   >   > feeder
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> goldfish.
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> There's nothing
>   >   > >>>> in there now but a few
> decorations.  She
>   >   > tried to
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> introduce
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> another
>   >   > >>>> goldfish, but the one she
> has killed it.
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> She wants to add companions.
>  I've
>   >   > pointed
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> out the
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> temperature thing, and
>   >   > >>>> I know a few cold water fish
> like white
>   >   > clouds
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> and zebra
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> danios, but don't
>   >   > >>>> know if they are actually
> compatible with
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> goldfish.  The
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> one article on
>   >   > >>>> goldfish on the krib
> didn't really
>   >   > talk about
>   >   > >>>> companions, and I got mixed
>   >   > >>>> messages about it by just
> googling it (go
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> figure).  One
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> site recommends
>   >   > >>>> zebra danios.  The other
> says that they
>   >   > will
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> out-compete
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> the goldfish for
>   >   > >>>> food.  Another site
> recommended weather
>   >   > loaches.
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> She seems determined to put
> some
>   >   > companions in
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> there.  In
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> an attempt to
>   >   > >>>> avoid trial and error and
> get an informed
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >> opinion, I'm
>   >   > >>
>   >   > >>>> asking the group
>   >   > >>>> for recommendations for
> goldfish
>   >   > companions.
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> Any ideas?
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> Thanks,
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   > >>>> Shamus
>   >   > >>>>
>   >   >
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>   >   > I myself would add the Dojo but not the
> cories. To me the
>   >   > temp would be
>   >   > on the low end for the cories, so if the
> fishkeeper is
>   >   > inexperienced,
>   >   > why not use Dojos.  It is my experience that
> they are
>   >   > pretty much
>   >   > bulletproof. I have regular gravel, not fine
> sand and the
>   >   > dojos do fine.
>   >   > they do like a hiding space, but they are
> pretty tough and
>   >   > my dojo does
>   >   > not take any guff from the goldies at all.
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