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Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility



Has anyone had any luck with dojos and plants? I've read in the past that they 
root them up worse than the goldfish do.

Dianna

> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:25:19 -0700
> From: machismo@eskimo.com
> To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> 
> Connie:
> I can't cut and paste with this java ssh client I use to read this account
> from work, but it's
> Misgurnus anguilicaudatus, the dojo or weather loach.
> there's a wikipedia page.
> 
> Shamus
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Connie Carlson wrote:
> 
> > Again, please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly are Do Jos??  Can 
> > someone post a link to fishlore/fishgeeks/fishbase or throw out the 
> > scientific name so I can look them up?  All this talk about them has me 
> > mighty curious.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Connie
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Trish<mailto:snips36@yahoo.com>
> >   To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member 
> > chat<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> >   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:45 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> > http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm<http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Corydoras.htm>
> >
> >   I found this web site about temp for Corys....My Goldfish tank is around 
> > 70 or so in winter months with no heat. and of course warmer in summer, 
> > about 74 or so...The corys are fine.
> >
> >   Your right Do Jos almost seem bullet proof.....and as cute as anything!!! 
> > Gotta love their faces!
> >
> >   Trish
> >
> >   --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Kypros Hostetter 
> > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >   > From: Kypros Hostetter 
> > <Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu<mailto:Hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>>
> >   > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> >   > To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat" 
> > <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
> >   > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 8:57 AM
> >   > Trish wrote:
> >   > > Shamus-
> >   > >
> >   > > If the gravel is smooth then the Cories, and Do Jos
> >   > would be fine. They would make a good clean up crew with
> >   > the food which makes it to the bottom....The Do Jos like to
> >   > bury themselves, and just have their heads poking out, its
> >   > very cute. I have sand as substrate, but have kept them
> >   > with gravel as well, and they were fine. But they prefer
> >   > the sand. The Goldfish is fine with either, and picks at
> >   > both....
> >   > >
> >   > > Yes the cories are tropical, but they can withstand
> >   > being without heat...my tanks stay at about 70 in the
> >   > winter, and warmer in the summer, so temp wise they are
> >   > fine....  Do Jos as well as Goldfish can go much
> >   > colder.....
> >   > >
> >   > > OH and as to salt,its fine with the Goldfish, Do Jos,
> >   > and the Cories....I have been using salt for years...great
> >   > preventative, for diseases....I use salt on all my tanks.
> >   > >
> >   > > I would add the Do Jos and Cories, before adding
> >   > another Goldfish.
> >   > >
> >   > > At least she did take the larger tank, this will help
> >   > alot. Now just hope she keeps up on water changes.....this
> >   > is the key, water changes, make for healthy  and happy
> >   > fishies....
> >   > >
> >   > > Trish
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young
> >   > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >> From: Shamus Young <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>
> >   > >> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Goldfish compatibility
> >   > >> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member
> >   > chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
> >   > >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 8:22 PM
> >   > >> Thanks to all who responded.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> I don't think there's any chance of
> >   > getting a
> >   > >> larger tank. It took enough
> >   > >> cajoling to get her to take a free 20g tank to
> >   > move the
> >   > >> fish out of it's
> >   > >> 3g.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> I look at this more as damage control than
> >   > advising her on
> >   > >> the perfect
> >   > >> goldfish setup.  The fish is in a better home.
> >   > If she
> >   > >> wants companions
> >   > >> and is set on getting them, then steer her towards
> >   > fish
> >   > >> that are actually
> >   > >> compatible.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> I'll push the zebras over white clouds.
> >   > I'm a
> >   > >> little reluctant to push
> >   > >> corys, since I've always thought of them as
> >   > tropical.
> >   > >> I also seem to
> >   > >> recall that she's got standard aquarium gravel
> >   > in
> >   > >> there, and IIRC, you
> >   > >> want a fine substrate with Corys so they don't
> >   > damage
> >   > >> their barbels on
> >   > >> the gravel.  I'll confirm the substrate
> >   > compatibility
> >   > >> before I push
> >   > >> loaches or corys.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> Has anyone tried mosquito fish?  The cold water
> >   > livebearer?
> >   > >>  it sounds
> >   > >> like they might move too slow.  I guess there
> >   > would be
> >   > >> concerns about salt
> >   > >> content of the water.  I don't know what
> >   > goldfish like
> >   > >> regarding salt, but
> >   > >> from back in the dark ages when I raised
> >   > livebearers, I
> >   > >> added salt.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> Shamus
> >   > >>
> >   > >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Trish wrote:
> >   > >>
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> Hi Shamus-
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> I have goldfish, in a 55 gallon now. And with
> >   > them, I
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> keep the weather
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> loaches, and also some cories....with no
> >   > heater, all
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> get along just
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> fine, and have been together in different
> >   > tanks
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> through about 5 years
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> now....started smaller of course, as small as
> >   > a 5
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> gallon with the
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> goldies, and up to a 30 long, with weater
> >   > loaches, and
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> now to the 55
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> gal.....I have 6 long finned goldies, and I
> >   > think 5
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> weather loaches,
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> along with 5 or 6 cories......Goldfish are
> >   > quiet
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> dirty, so have 2
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> filters on this tank, a submersable fluval,
> >   > and also a
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> magnum canister
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> filter.....so good filteration is a must with
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> goldies.....
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> Now with your friend, she has a 20 gal with 1
> >   > golfish,
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> they say goldies
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> need about 10 gal per fish, so she COULD add
> >   > another,
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> but given since
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> she tried that already, and the one killed it,
> >   > maybe
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> adding another
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> wouldnt be good.....she could add say 2 or 3
> >   > common Do
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> Jo's {weather
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> loach}, and say 4 cories, this would be about
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> it.....BUT to keep in mind
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> a larger tank for the future. The Do Jos like
> >   > to be in
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> groups, the more
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> the better, as well as the cories...no less
> >   > than 3 I
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> would guess.....The
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> green cories, seem to do the best with the
> >   > colder
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> water.....from what I
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> have experienced....I have several other
> >   > types, but
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> the green seem to
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> adapt the best.
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> Any other question feel free to ask!!
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> Trish
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Shamus Young
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>> wrote:
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> From: Shamus Young
> >   > <machismo@eskimo.com<mailto:machismo@eskimo.com>>
> >   > >>>> Subject: [GSAS-Member]  Goldfish
> >   > compatibility
> >   > >>>> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society
> >   > member
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> chat" <gsas-member@thekrib.com<mailto:gsas-member@thekrib.com>>
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:12 AM
> >   > >>>> Howdy:
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> I've got a friend who inherited a
> >   > goldfish in
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> a small
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> tank, circa 3 gal.
> >   > >>>> She's accquired a 20 gallon tank with
> >   > an
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> eclipse hood,
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> and moved it into
> >   > >>>> that, which is a positive step.  It's
> >   > about
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> 3"
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> now.  I don't think it's a
> >   > >>>> special type.  No long fins or weird eye
> >   > things,
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> but I
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> don't know
> >   > >>>> goldfish.  To me, it looks like a large
> >   > feeder
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> goldfish.
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> There's nothing
> >   > >>>> in there now but a few decorations.  She
> >   > tried to
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> introduce
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> another
> >   > >>>> goldfish, but the one she has killed it.
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> She wants to add companions.  I've
> >   > pointed
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> out the
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> temperature thing, and
> >   > >>>> I know a few cold water fish like white
> >   > clouds
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> and zebra
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> danios, but don't
> >   > >>>> know if they are actually compatible with
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> goldfish.  The
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> one article on
> >   > >>>> goldfish on the krib didn't really
> >   > talk about
> >   > >>>> companions, and I got mixed
> >   > >>>> messages about it by just googling it (go
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> figure).  One
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> site recommends
> >   > >>>> zebra danios.  The other says that they
> >   > will
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> out-compete
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> the goldfish for
> >   > >>>> food.  Another site recommended weather
> >   > loaches.
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> She seems determined to put some
> >   > companions in
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> there.  In
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> an attempt to
> >   > >>>> avoid trial and error and get an informed
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >> opinion, I'm
> >   > >>
> >   > >>>> asking the group
> >   > >>>> for recommendations for goldfish
> >   > companions.
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> Any ideas?
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> Thanks,
> >   > >>>>
> >   > >>>> Shamus
> >   > >>>>
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> >   > >
> >   > I myself would add the Dojo but not the cories. To me the
> >   > temp would be
> >   > on the low end for the cories, so if the fishkeeper is
> >   > inexperienced,
> >   > why not use Dojos.  It is my experience that they are
> >   > pretty much
> >   > bulletproof. I have regular gravel, not fine sand and the
> >   > dojos do fine.
> >   > they do like a hiding space, but they are pretty tough and
> >   > my dojo does
> >   > not take any guff from the goldies at all.
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