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[GSAS-Member] Rehoming Tanganyikan Cichlids
For those looking to add to or starting there Tang. set up, after the great
talk by Jen. I have Neolamprologus leleupi (Orange) and Julidochromis
transcriptus. All are young about 2.5". Very healthy, eating aggressively, and
great colors and markings. If interested call 206 851 9345. Rehoming fee of
$5.00 each.
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:43:55 -0800
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> 1. Re: Spam 60gal Acrylic tank and stand FS (Dana Rasmussen)
> 2. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Christine Ranegger)
> 3. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Hostetter, Kypros)
> 4. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Matt Staroscik)
> 5. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Shango Los)
> 6. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Michael Staeb)
> 7. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (Hostetter, Kypros)
> 8. Re: Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start? (brynielsen@gmail.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:21:32 -0800
> From: Dana Rasmussen <danamr@gmail.com>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Spam 60gal Acrylic tank and stand FS
> Message-ID: <C7760E4C.1B039%danamr@gmail.com>
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> > Does this have a Clear or Colored Back ??
> > Was it used for Fresh or Salt ? Just curious...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> Clear back, and fresh only.
> --
> Dana
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:09:11 +0000
> From: Christine Ranegger <cranegger@msn.com>
> To: GSAS members <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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>
> Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they really
> like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
>
>
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Christine
>
> > From: mikeycpa@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:26:25 -0800
> > To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
> > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> > I tried your suggestion as I am using API's Nitrate test solution that
> > is part of their master test kit (the kind with two bottles). I did
> > another test last night with your recommendation of plenty of vigorous
> > shaking. No such luck. Nitrate is still reading 0. Also, when I
> > went this morning to give my fish breakfast before I left for work,
> > one of my oto's had was lying on the bottom, upside down, deceased.
> > The other appeared to be fine and the danios are all just as active as
> > always.
> >
> > Does anyone know about a way to tell if the tank is fully cycled w/o
> > using ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels to verify? Meg's suggestion
> > (below) sounds like a possible explanation but with the death of a
> > hearty fish like an oto I'm a bit concerned now and hesitant to
> > introduce more less-hearty fish without knowing the water is
> > definitively safe.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> > -M-
> >
> > ----------------- From Meg -----------------
> > Perhaps the 0 nitrate reading is due to your plants using it up? If
> > there are only a handful of fish compared to the amount of water, you
> > might have a small concentration of nitrate that the plants are able
> > to keep up with.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:13:46 -0800
> From: "Hostetter, Kypros" <hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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>
> also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come weak
> and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen is
> that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> some input on this.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Christine Ranegger <cranegger@msn.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they really
> > like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a thought,
> >
> > Christine
> >
> > > From: mikeycpa@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:26:25 -0800
> > > To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
> > > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
> > >
> > > Roy,
> > >
> > > I tried your suggestion as I am using API's Nitrate test solution that
> > > is part of their master test kit (the kind with two bottles). I did
> > > another test last night with your recommendation of plenty of vigorous
> > > shaking. No such luck. Nitrate is still reading 0. Also, when I
> > > went this morning to give my fish breakfast before I left for work,
> > > one of my oto's had was lying on the bottom, upside down, deceased.
> > > The other appeared to be fine and the danios are all just as active as
> > > always.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know about a way to tell if the tank is fully cycled w/o
> > > using ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels to verify? Meg's suggestion
> > > (below) sounds like a possible explanation but with the death of a
> > > hearty fish like an oto I'm a bit concerned now and hesitant to
> > > introduce more less-hearty fish without knowing the water is
> > > definitively safe.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > -M-
> > >
> > > ----------------- From Meg -----------------
> > > Perhaps the 0 nitrate reading is due to your plants using it up? If
> > > there are only a handful of fish compared to the amount of water, you
> > > might have a small concentration of nitrate that the plants are able
> > > to keep up with.
> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:23:48 -0800
> From: Matt Staroscik <matt@wrongcrowd.com>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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> I can believe that. I have never had an oto that lasted more than a week, no
> matter how much they had available to eat.
>
> Speaking of otos, they make them in green!
>
> http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/breeding/Petracini_Epactionotus_Aky.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Hostetter, Kypros <
> hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> > also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come weak
> > and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen is
> > that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> > some input on this.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Christine Ranegger <cranegger@msn.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they
> > really
> > > like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just a thought,
> > >
> > > Christine
> > >
> > > > From: mikeycpa@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:26:25 -0800
> > > > To: gsas-member@thekrib.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
> > > >
> > > > Roy,
> > > >
> > > > I tried your suggestion as I am using API's Nitrate test solution that
> > > > is part of their master test kit (the kind with two bottles). I did
> > > > another test last night with your recommendation of plenty of vigorous
> > > > shaking. No such luck. Nitrate is still reading 0. Also, when I
> > > > went this morning to give my fish breakfast before I left for work,
> > > > one of my oto's had was lying on the bottom, upside down, deceased.
> > > > The other appeared to be fine and the danios are all just as active as
> > > > always.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know about a way to tell if the tank is fully cycled w/o
> > > > using ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels to verify? Meg's suggestion
> > > > (below) sounds like a possible explanation but with the death of a
> > > > hearty fish like an oto I'm a bit concerned now and hesitant to
> > > > introduce more less-hearty fish without knowing the water is
> > > > definitively safe.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > -M-
> > > >
> > > > ----------------- From Meg -----------------
> > > > Perhaps the 0 nitrate reading is due to your plants using it up? If
> > > > there are only a handful of fish compared to the amount of water, you
> > > > might have a small concentration of nitrate that the plants are able
> > > > to keep up with.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > GSAS-Member mailing list
> > > > GSAS-Member@thekrib.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:29:19 -0800
> From: Shango Los <shango@shangolos.com>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Hostetter, Kypros wrote:
>
> > also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come weak
> > and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen is
> > that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> > some input on this.
>
>
> I am a big Oto fan and have bought several dozen from different places.
> Indeed, because they are so inexpensive they are treated as "bulk" often and
> their mortality is really high. They are also a small and fragile fish. I
> usually expect to lose two when I buy 10. My experience is not that they
> usually have disease though. Just that they are overpacked into tanks and
> bags and they have to fight for food because of the sheer number of them kept
> together. I find that they are sensitive to water changes and chemicals too.
> They are very sensitive to high CO2 as well. They are a canary species for
> me like my debauwi catfish that tell me to check the co2.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:29:17 -0800
> From: Michael Staeb <mikeycpa@gmail.com>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
> Message-ID:
> <36890221001151529k7a8de95cv372414411ff1578e@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> >> Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they really
> >> like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
>
> Maybe, but unlikely. I fed enough flake food (for the danios) that
> some drifted to the bottom. Also been feeding live brine shrimp and
> the occasional treat (a 1" piece of seaweed).
>
> >> also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come weak
> >> and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen is
> >> that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> >> some input on this.
>
> Kypros, not sure if there was anyway to tell if they were just bad
> stock. I picked them up from Mike's place (Aquarist World in WS) and
> they've been active and seemed fine until this morning. They've been
> in the tank about a week.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:39:05 -0800
> From: "Hostetter, Kypros" <hostetter2003@lawnet.ucla.edu>
> To: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
> Message-ID:
> <f89f35891001151539r226bca07p3f67307fd838a3e0@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I usually get mine from the store Steev works at when they have them and he
> watches them to make sure they are eating well and are disease free. I
> think if they are strong and healthy they are supposed to be fairly hardy if
> they have enough algea (that they like to eat).
> Kypros
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Michael Staeb <mikeycpa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they
> > really
> > >> like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
> >
> > Maybe, but unlikely. I fed enough flake food (for the danios) that
> > some drifted to the bottom. Also been feeding live brine shrimp and
> > the occasional treat (a 1" piece of seaweed).
> >
> > >> also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come
> > weak
> > >> and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen
> > is
> > >> that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> > >> some input on this.
> >
> > Kypros, not sure if there was anyway to tell if they were just bad
> > stock. I picked them up from Mike's place (Aquarist World in WS) and
> > they've been active and seemed fine until this morning. They've been
> > in the tank about a week.
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:44:04 +0000
> From: brynielsen@gmail.com
> To: "Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat"
> <gsas-member@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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> I thought maybe I had 1 or 2 otos but when I moved the tank found at least 10.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Hostetter, Kypros
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> ReplyTo: Greater Seattle Aquarium Society member chat
> Subject: Re: [GSAS-Member] Nitrogen Cycle - a slow start?
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>
> I usually get mine from the store Steev works at when they have them and he
> watches them to make sure they are eating well and are disease free. I
> think if they are strong and healthy they are supposed to be fairly hardy if
> they have enough algea (that they like to eat).
> Kypros
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Michael Staeb <mikeycpa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Concerning the Oto ... I wonder if it might have starved since they
> > really
> > >> like algae and in a newly set up tank they might not find enough of it.
> >
> > Maybe, but unlikely. I fed enough flake food (for the danios) that
> > some drifted to the bottom. Also been feeding live brine shrimp and
> > the occasional treat (a 1" piece of seaweed).
> >
> > >> also, do you have new Ottos? My understanding is that many Ottos come
> > weak
> > >> and diseases from the suppliers- the general rule of thumb I have seen
> > is
> > >> that if they make it a month they will likely be okay. Steev might have
> > >> some input on this.
> >
> > Kypros, not sure if there was anyway to tell if they were just bad
> > stock. I picked them up from Mike's place (Aquarist World in WS) and
> > they've been active and seemed fine until this morning. They've been
> > in the tank about a week.
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