Whoa, Steve. sorry if you feel initmidated. There is an awful lot of material here to digest, and I know that perhaps not everyone is capable or willing to devote as much time and energy to this right now as I have. I'm not asking you to. I also realize that sometimes my tone can sound a bit harsh. I have a number of personality defects that I am only too aware of - I'm not the most tackful person in the world, and I lack patience. But I'm just as hard on myself as I am on anybody else. Now, to discuss briefly the issue of democracy. This isn't a democracy. I never said that it would be. I invited people here to discuss organizing an big event. If a concencus can't be reached or one is reached which runs counter to something I can agree with, I reserve the right to over rule it. This started out as MY suggestion and you were INVITED to help. And someone has to be in charge. If anyone wishes to BE that person, in my stead - I suggest you form your own group. But at this point in time I find that the group's discussion have not only expanded my understanding of the issues which brought us together, it has changed them as well. I have had several e-mail messages from people, both publicly and privatly urging me to excercise leaderhip and make some decisions - one went so far as to suggest that I decide it all and then present it to the group and we move forward to implement it as he was tired of the discussion. That isn't my style - I prefer to allow people to discuss things and I make every effort to get people to look at issues through the eyes of others and to consider their opinions and preferences. I believe that I have demonstrated that here. It does tend to make for "messy" discussions, but at least everyone gets a chance to be heard. When we were discussing a name, I invited suggestions and then ultimately called for a vote. It wasn't my first choice, but I announced the winner of a democratic vote. Likewise for this set of "core values". The discussion has been very productive and we have all come to understand the nature of the event better because of it. I have been adamant in insisting that the issues involved be "thought through" and not just agreed to or decided to be "agreeable" or "popular". They are much too important to do that. People don't always have to agree, they just have to be willing to listen to the opinions and thought of others with an open mind. But in a situation like this, someone has to have ultimate control/authority. But, should you decide to stick around to read my next posting, you might find that I am not as dictatorial as you think. As for folks leaving because you thing I've been rude or pissed them off, well you are free to think what you like, and so am I. If someone decides to leave because I make it clear to them that I won't let them fail to consider other points of view, then they can go, with my blessing. I can't please everyone, and I am not going to try. I am trying to pull together a group of widely separate people (geographically speaking) and that is not a very easy task. Should you have suggestions, you have my private e-mail address and I welcome your constructive input. James not the Daddy! ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@aquatic-gardeners.org with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest