I see what you mean Don (and Erik) regarding the actual number of ribbons that we would need. I also really like the idea of combining the other three classes into single categories (regardless of tank size), due to the number of entries in each one. This would lessen the number of ribbons required. This would reduce the number of ribbons required from 38 (36 for win, place and show + best of show + people's choice) down to 20 (18 for win, place and show + best of show + people's choice). This cuts down on the cost, but not as much as you might think. Here are the estimated costs from the Proposal: 38 Ribbons ($2.00 each) $ 76.00 Set-Up Cost $ 10.00 Design Cost $ 25.00 Padded Mailing Envelopes ($2.00 each) $ 76.00 Mailing Cost ($2.00 each) $ 76.00 Total $263.00 20 Ribbons ($2.00 each) $ 40.00 Set-Up Cost $ 10.00 Design Cost $ 25.00 Padded Mailing Envelopes ($2.00 each) $ 40.00 Mailing Cost ($2.00 each) $ 40.00 Total $155.00 Please keep in mind that the Set-Up and Design costs is the same regardless of the number of ribbons ordered and the mailing tube and shipping costs are estimates. I have no intention of traipsing all over Toronto looking for the cheapest padded envelopes I can find - my local postal outlet carries what I intend to use. James ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "lookie-loo".