I understand what you are saying about the estimates of the value of the individual prizes Erik. The values I used generally came from the manufacturers themselves, as in the case of the Air Products regulator - when I was discussing it with the AP representative I was getting Canadian pricing for their regulators for myself as well as trying to pin a US dollar value on the one they were donating. The $175.00 figure is what they actually sell the regulator for in the U.S. In _my_ opinion, their equipment is worth what they charge for it. In some cases (like the 72 Bow Front Aquarium), I got the value from this list (someone priced it in a U.S. store and told me how much it was selling for), or I went to a mail order dealer (Pet Warehouse) and checked their regular selling price for the item. In the case of the Ice Cap ballast, they sell a number of different models, and they can vary in price from $175.00 - $200.00. I used the upper range value for my calculations. In the case of the Mail Order Pet Supplies gift certificate (which is in Canadian funds), I merely plugged the $100.00 Cdn. into the Bank of Canada's exchange rate converter and came up with a value of $68.00 US. The same thing for the value of the Practical Fishkeeping gift subscription - I used their rate for overseas subscribers. I _know_ that some of the valuations might seem high, but none of them are over the top (again, in _my_ opinion). There _are_ a few items which I wish we hadn't received (I've no intention of stating publicly which they are) but beggars can't be choosers and I did a lot of begging to get what we've got. I'm thankful to each and every company which decided to donate and I don't really relate the level of my gratefullness with the dollar value of their donation. I was asked by several of the smaller vendors what an appropriate value of a donation might be, and in each case I told them that I wasn't asking for any specific minimum or maximum - I would accept with thanks whatever they offered. They gave what they figured they could afford and that's enough for me. Perhaps if we do this again next year we can "suggest" to the different companies the minimum values of the donations we would like to receive but this would be really pushing things, IMO, and I'd rather just take what they give us. None of this is going to prevent somebody from shouting - "Hey, I can get that for $xxx.xx on sale at xxxxxxx - your "pricing" is over-inflated!". They had just better careful to do their griping out of earshot of me. As the saying goes - "I'm in no mood!". I guess the bottom line is that people are going to bitch regardless of what I/we do or how we approach this. Should anyone complain - give them my name and e-mail address and I'll suggest that next year, THEY might want to get involved with us and go hunting for prizes themselves. I had to have SOME value to use as an estimate and I'm sticking with the ones I used. Given the huge amount of time and effort that you, David Youngker and I have and will be putting into this, not to mention the contributions of the other active members of the committee in the planning, translation, publication and judging of this event - if anyone on the APD or in USENET gets too vocal as nay-sayers, I'm liable to take their heads off. But that's just me.....<g>. James Purchase ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "lookie-loo".