On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT), S. Hieber wrote > Which would leave us with what I think > you are suggesting, a category where the entries are > intended to be only biotopes. This is much narrower than > the original cat. If you take Erik's recollection that by the original design "natural aquariums" were just poor-mans biotopes then it really doesn't narrow things down. If we are actually clear about the definition then it might narrow the scope a little because people who had a different concept of "natural aquariums" might not enter. That might be a good thing. Losing a few entries would be a bad thing. Different folks among us might find the balance in different places. That I think is a reason for the discussion. > Can the eschewed entries be fairly > compared in the the size cats? While not as limited as > biotopes, they are meant to be representational and suffer > limitations that others don't -- giving new meaning for > some aquascapers to "dutch treat." ;-) Some of them, absolutely would be fair entries in the aquatic gardens categories. If a theme tank has a region as loose as "the Amazon Basin", or "Sumatra" or even "Pantanal" then the limitations aren't very limiting. In fact in the garden categories they might get a few extra points for "selection and use of materials" by pointing out that the tank is a theme tank. It all depends on the judge. > Speaking of which, similar arguments could be made to > separate out Dutch styles from American and Amano styles, > each havving a diff set of strctures, and some more than > others. But do we have enough entries to make that move > yet? I don't think those styles are defined well enough to separate them into categories. > My concern isn't that Biotopes can't be distinct cat, but > that the number of entries will be too few to warrant a > category of it's own. That's a legitimate concern. As it stands right now I think most of the people who believe they are doing biotope tanks are actually doing grossly regional theme tanks. I don't know why the concept of a biotope tank can seem so easy when people talk about marine biotopes and so obscure when they talk about freshwater biotopes. A recent thread on the AB forum is an example. The conversation started with something like "I just bought a Madagascar Lace Plant and thought I would give it a Madagascar biotope. What else grows in Madagascar?" I suspect that those people -- if they are interested in the aquascaping contest -- will continue to enter their theme tanks in the biotopes category and risk the consequences. Maybe some day one will actually win the category. Roger ------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, e-mail majordomo@thekrib.com with "unsubscribe aga-contest" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the digest version, add "subscribe aga-contest-digest" in the same message. Old messages are available at http://lists.thekrib.com/aga-contest When asked, log in as username is "aga-contest", and password "second".