I was using a product called Spiro-tein or something like that, but where I purchased it is an hour away -- that worked great. The first gel experience, I tried Soy milk, and so I suspected the soy or the tank water; the second gel experience, I used an Adkins diet protein powder from the grocery store. If the leaving out the molasses doesn't change anything, I will look for the protein powder you mention, or make the drive to get the other stuff (the town I'm in knows nothing about protein powder, rural). I'll let you all know! (I also was reusing the yeast at the bottom, but the new bottles have new yeast since I threw all the gel-like stuff out). The soy milk does have Carrageenan (which I think gels, right?) The protein mix has Guar gum. Two suspects I would assume? I wish I had a package of the old stuff to see what was in it... Let us know if you get no gelling. If you changed protein powder brands, some have emulsifiers added to keep the powder in suspension when you mix it with a fluid -- helps attenuate the "Bosco" syndrome ;-) That could be mucking things up a bit. If it still gels without mollasses, going sans protein is what I'd try next, jsut to see if it's the culprit. Then I'd try a diff brand of protein powder. I've had pretty good luck with a cheap one call Vege Fuel from Twinlab. A slight amount of the protein "gums" up at the top rim but it is minor. _______________________________________________ AGA-Member mailing list AGA-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-member